Caught speeding with expired provisional.

lilac_lady

If your brother had been killed by someone with the same driving profile as himself would you have the same frame of mind about it?

anewman

Steve1981 wrote: »

3) he might not get a ban as he doenst have a licence (stupid i know but often true)

I thought a ban for driving without a license was a common thing - but this is silly as they were never licensed to drive in the first place, so the ban does nothing.

I had to take driving lessons, pass a test, apply for a full license, and buy insurance to be allowed on the road - I do not see why someone should think they have good cause to not do any of these.

I too would hope someone who has no respect for the law would go to jail. Unfortunately realistically it won't happen so your brother may have his freedom unfortunately, and he may commit similar offences again as there's no real punishment.

Altarf

anewman wrote: »

I thought a ban for driving without a license was a common thing - but this is silly as they were never licensed to drive in the first place, so the ban does nothing.

Driving otherwise than in accordance with a licence (or no licence) is maximum £1000 fine, possible disqualification, and 3 to 6 points.

Driving when disqualified is up to 6 months in prison, maximum £5000 fine and minimum 6 points.

So banning someone opens up the possibility of prison and a minimum of 6 points, when they do get a licence. Even if you don't get prison the fine is likely to be much bigger.

And before anybody mentions that what is the sense of giving someone points if they don't have a licence, the logic is that as soon as they do get a licence the points kick in, and then they will be driving around with 3 or 6 points on their licence, so as a newly qualified driver, inches away from their licence being taken away and needing to take a re-test.

anewman

Altarf wrote: »

Driving otherwise than in accordance with a licence (or no licence) is maximum £1000 fine, possible disqualification, and 3 to 6 points.

Driving when disqualified is up to 6 months in prison, maximum £5000 fine and minimum 6 points.

So banning someone opens up the possibility of prison and a minimum of 6 points, when they do get a licence. Even if you don't get prison the fine is likely to be much bigger.

And before anybody mentions that what is the sense of giving someone points if they don't have a licence, the logic is that as soon as they do get a licence the points kick in, and then they will be driving around with 3 or 6 points on their licence, so as a newly qualified driver, inches away from their licence being taken away and needing to take a re-test.

That makes more sense, thanks.

It is still somewhat silly though, as the sort of people who these laws apply to, won't really care they can't get a license as they never needed one in the first place...

nickj_2

what is the point in banning these people , they are not taking any notice of the law in the 1st place

Riq

Altarf wrote: »

Driving when disqualified is up to 6 months in prison, maximum £5000 fine and minimum 6 points.

So banning someone opens up the possibility of prison and a minimum of 6 points, when they do get a licence. Even if you don't get prison the fine is likely to be much bigger.

And before anybody mentions that what is the sense of giving someone points if they don't have a licence, the logic is that as soon as they do get a licence the points kick in, and then they will be driving around with 3 or 6 points on their licence, so as a newly qualified driver, inches away from their licence being taken away and needing to take a re-test.

Okay, when i got my licence for the first two years if I got 6 points i would lose my licence.

So does this mean, he passes his test (eventually), gets his licence then instantly loses it as his 6 points kick in?

I wish it would, but Ijust think he wouldn't bother taking the test.

Altarf

nickj wrote: »

what is the point in banning these people , they are not taking any notice of the law in the 1st place

Because as I posted 2 posts up, if you get caught driving whilst banned the courts have the option to send you prison (or other community punishments), but they don't have that option if you are just driving without a licence.

anewman

Altarf wrote: »

Because as I posted 2 posts up, if you get caught driving whilst banned the courts have the option to send you prison (or other community punishments), but they don't have that option if you are just driving without a licence.

They won't even put pedophiles in prison, I doubt there's any serious risk of someone driving while disqualified going to prison.

Altarf

anewman wrote: »

They won't even put pedophiles in prison, I doubt there's any serious risk of someone driving while disqualified going to prison.

1st hit on Google news -
http://www.flintshirestandard.co.uk/eveningleadernews/Disqualified-motorist-who-drove-twice.4015222.jp

t_r

Cool that's near me one more off the road. Guess the real reason he has been sent down is because he avoided bail though. Oh and he well have spent two months in total behind bars