The MSE European Referendum? Poll results/discussion

ShelfStacker_3

zed_sump wrote: »

don't want to be governed by un-elected people in Brussels.
as much as there isn't much difference in the attributes, intentions or ambitions of many of the UK politicians in the British government at the moment, atleast they're democratically elected by us. going euro = losing the right to vote for our own government.
one world rule no thank you.

Unelected? You do realise we have elected representatives in the EU, in the form of MEPs?

Ted_Bloke

All these people who are anti-European, what are they pro? As Gordon Brown observed a few weeks ago it’s not as if these anti-Europeans are pro-American, far from it. Or probably it was the other way round, no matter. Neither are these anti-American anti-Europeans pro-British. For instance I am a lot at the Discussion Time forum here and every time any British identity (which Brown has been sneered at for trying to promote) or belonging question comes up you mainly hear vociferous rather aggressive rejection, and DT seems to me not all that unrepresentative of significant trends of sentiment in the country at large.

Maybe it is wrong to call them anti-European, they are just anti.

All the more surprising in that a lot of such things you can make out these antis are for, like the high public spending ‘European Social Model’, liberal civil rights agenda, or pacific not to say wimpish foreign policies and minimal military forces (despite what jimmy imagines) seem rather well satisfied by the EU.

NeoBear

1. The UK gets a lot less out of the EU than it gets charged and the charge is set to rise significantly (Blair's give away of the UKs' rebate as a bribe to help him get elected as EU President)
2. The EU Parliament is a sham which can do little more than suggest changes to and rubber stamp, unelected decisions, it cannot make make or repeal laws!
3. The EU already have too much control of the UK; they are crippling us economically with regulation favouring continental Europe, for fisheries, energy, trade etc.
4. The Lisbon treaty has enough hooks and ambiguity for the European Court to bypass all restrictions on EU power in the UK, the red lines are an illusion!
5. The EU already prevents the UK from effectively controlling it's borders, so allowing unsustainable population growth from immigration, this is already causing rationing of services.
6. It allows the Political Class to get away with being even more corrupt and make more of a mess of the UK, because they know they can 'retire' to higher paid jobs in the EU!
7. The UK can currently leave the EU in hours, by repealing the 1st treaty, without any OK needed from the EU; the treaty would actually make it more difficult to leave and may mean that we cannot reclaim critical assets!

The Lisborn Treat is the EU Constitution, in all but name, the tiny 'benefits' are nothing compared to the loss of the remaining 20% of power to unelected EU mandarins! :mad:

Seriously do you really like the idea of being forced, possibly at the end of EU riot police guns, to pay even more tax and lose more freedoms, for yet more hair brained wastes of money, which you would never willingly pay for from a business? I thought money savers were smarter than that! :rolleyes:

Coveredinbees!!!!

In the light of the Irish 'NO!!!' vote and the high court injunction, we might still get a vote but it seems that they are hell bent on pushing the treaty through anyway. It all seems a bit bizarre