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Strange Clause in Will !

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  • Grumpy_chap
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    I’m a 1st time sole Executor for my late father’s estate. His Will contains a ridiculous (to me!) clause that I hope somebody can help me with. In the Will, his estate is generally divided equally between myself and my 2 siblings. He has instructed his Executor (me!) to give an option to purchase his house to one of the siblings. Unfortunately, he has set the buying price at a finite figure that would be approximately its market value at the time of the Will. The Will is now 17 years old and there is no market indexation. Clearly, this now puts one sibling at a great financial advantage compared with the other 2 siblings. The other 2 siblings see this clause as contrary to the whole ethos of the Will, which is to divide assets equally.

    The relevant clause defines the ‘property’ as ‘all my share and interest in (dad’s address) or such other property in which I shall be residing as at the date of my death’. Following several hospital stays and increasing frailness dad moved into one of the siblings’ homes but hadn’t sold his own house. At the date of his death he had resided there for 40 days. As his ‘share and interest’ in that property was zero, I believe the sibling’s option to purchase dad's own house is no longer applicable.

    What does the ‘jury’ think?

    Sorry for your loss.

    You might well require professional legal advice to understand exactly how this clause is to be interpreted and applied should the sibling with the option to purchase decide to take up that option.

    They may not chose to do so as, even with the apparent £80k - £90k below market value, by the time SDLT (including the second property surcharge) has been paid the potential gain might be lower than warrants the effort. Of course, the individual with the option to purchase might currently rent and / or might wish to sell their current PPR and move into the father's home.

    The first thing I'd expect a professional legal advisor to want to establish is whether the "loophole" around the father residing at the child's property applies. I think it is quite likely that could well not be the case. Five or six weeks is really quite a short time. Before the time staying at the sibling's house, the father was staying at hospitals, but that would not be classed as "residing". I think there could well be an argument that the Father was only staying (not "residing") at the siblings house. It would be quite a common thing for a child to say to a parent leaving hospital something along the lies of "why don't you come and stay with us for a short while to recuperate and get yourself back on your feet" without there being any intention of that being a permanent arrangement implying "residing".

    What indicators of permanence / residing at the siblings house were there?

    Had the father redirected all post?

    Changed address for bank etc.?

    Changed address for electoral role / voter registration?

    Cleared home and marketed for sale?

    Compare the "staying" at the sibling's house to the father having moved into a nursing home. That might well be considered rather more clearly a permanent "residing" status but would also, for many purposes, not forfeit PPR status for the house.

    The second thing I'd expect a professional legal advisor to do would be read the Will in full and see if there is any indexation clause that might not have been apparent to the casual lay-reader and / or any notes that explain the rationale and intent that the fixed property value is truly fixed. Though the later part is probably not open to challenge as the father had 17 years in which that fixed value could be varied if he so desired.

    Finally, how large is the total Estate? Does the potential £90k "advantage" in favour of one sibling really make that much difference?

    It is not that sibling being better off by £90k anyway - if the proportion was shared equally as remainder Estate, it would be £30k for each of the three siblings, so the "advantage" is only £60k and that "pain" is suffered by the other two in equal measure.

    Is the £30k delta really a significant proportion of the total inheritance that there might be for each individual?

    Is it enough to risk jeopardising future family relationships?

  • user1977
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    I would agree with that, I think the most likely intention was to cover him being the owner-occupier of a different property by the time of his death. In these circumstances I would interpret it as still referring to the original house.

  • loiner
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    edited 14 October at 9:37AM

    He was 98 and extremely frail. He was never going to go back to his house.

    He did suggest selling his house but I advised him not to in order to retain the RNRB. He is already over the NRB for other assets but below it for property (both including the unused spouse transfer).

  • saajan_12
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    The relevant clause defines the ‘property’ as ‘all my share and interest in (dad’s address) or such other property in which I shall be residing as at the date of my death’. 

    Not relevant, the clause says OR, so the 'property in which I shall be residing' doesn't create a requirement on the property he owns, it just gives an alternative property the sibling could also have a right to buy. So if dad owned A and moved into B, the sibling could buy either A OR B.

    This isn't a loophole, you just need to consider why father might have given one child a right over others, eg if sibling invested in the house or supported father whereby he'd have wanted to preserve the value 17 years ago.

  • loiner
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    edited 14 October at 11:33AM

    Attached are copies of dad's very simple Will, apart from the notorious clause! It may help answer some of the questions. To clarify, at the time the will was written, dad thought his home was far better than our sister's home, so his idea was for her to move into a better home. A couple of years ago, my sister moved into a more practical bungalow which is far superior to dad's home. There is no intention at all for her to move into the family home. The only reason dad retained his house was to preserve his RNRB allowance.

    Our sister was originally also an Executor, but completed the Renunciation form. That means I will be putting in all the effort and our sister will receive significantly more reward. Our brother has also done a massive amount of work clearing the house of our compulsive hoarder father. Our sister and husband's effort was non existent, even though they only live 50m down the road from dad's house. Our sister originally stated she wasn’t interested in taking up her option to buy. Our brother then did all the work at the house and when he finished she said she had changed her mind and might take up the option after all.

  • poseidon1
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    edited 14 October at 12:26PM

    Interesting that the direction to sell to daughter is expressed in the form of the trustees granting her an option to do so with specific time limits for acceptance and execution.

    Whatever your father's original rational for giving your sister this preferential right to buy at a set price, I see no basis for the executors to challenge its validity.

    The instructions are clear and in my view unambiguous, whether or not your sister ever intends to excercise the option the trustees are required nonetheless to grant the option ( in writing) within 2 months of probate. What happens thereafter is up to her. She either proceeds to buy or the option lapses and the property falls into residue.

    As we all know it is a peculiar aspect of English testamentary freedom ( unlike Scotland for example) that testators are under no obligation to make any provision for their children or to provide for them on an equal basis.

    If you are minded not to grant the option at all, you would be in breach of a key requirement of the Will thereby permitting your sister to sue for 'specific performance'.

  • loiner
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    I agree if the word 'either' was used, but it isn't! If she has an option to buy either A or B then it's her choice. The Will effectively says she has an option to buy A, but effectively that option moves to B if he no longer resides at A.

  • sgthammer
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    What Poseidon said. You may not like to hear it, but the terms of the will are clear and as Executor you have to be guided by them instead of your own preferences.

    It all depends whether your sister has a spare £100k to speculate with at the cost of family harmony.

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