BYD EV range over 1000km

born_again

Watch someone like Bjorn Nyland who does a lot of 1000K trips in EV's & he is complaining more & more that he does not have enough time at charging stops to go to toilet & grab something to eat.

So the thought a a 5 min charge is back like fueling up a car now, unlike the ability to take a break & charge the car. A pointless backward step to the average driver.

Barkin

Watch someone like Bjorn Nyland who does a lot of 1000K trips in EV's & he is complaining more & more that he does not have enough time at charging stops to go to toilet & grab something to eat.

Because he's charged up before he's done what he needs to do?

What happens in that case - does he get arrested, or his car impounded or something?

Ridiculous.

forgotmyname

The brainwashing is strong from the Chinese paid news outlets with their advertorials.

So you charge your car at 1.5MW which is a PEAK figure not an average which is going to be 50% of that?
The battery will need to be in it's optimum state to accept a charge even half that with major cooling that eats
into the power used and it will not charge from sub 10% to 100% at anywhere near the hyped up rate.

What happens to the other 5, 10 or 20 cars waiting to charge? So after 1 busy day all batteries on site are depleted
and they cannot fast charge which means they will be offline or at a very reduced capacity until charged enough to
do it again. Lets see what happens to the batteries after they have been charged that rapidly every couple of days
for 5 years.

Didn't they use a massive diesel generator to show the fast charging rate which had a very limited charge also?

Bigwheels1111

For the last 30 plus years it’s been diesel cars are the way forward. As a mini cab driver for many of those years, no other fuel was comparable on range and price. Then along came Toyota Prius, 55-60mpg around town. Now a new evolution is on its way. ( Well 2 actually) in my mind, PHEV was going to be the next iteration of cars for most people and it’s working, Jaecoo 7 PHEV, there are thousands and thousands on the road. Or an EV, There is no right or wrong it depends on your circumstances, daily travel to work is 2 miles each way, but i don’t have a driveway, work will not allow us to change on any of there 50 charges, even though the depot has gone 95% Green, 100% is not possible as one run has a 10’ 2’ bridge and EV’S 10’9’ minimum height. So for a year or so I’m stuck with a diesel vehicle until I move home & get a home charger. The longest journey I’ve done in 2 years is 100 miles each way. So most EV’S should manage that, Next month I’m off to London a 400 miles round trip. I would be an option with an EV as friends have a charger on their driveway, 7.5p for overnight charging, biggest issue is initial purchase price & depreciation. Reliability is next, work vehicles are always generating faults, parking brake failure, HVAC failures, HV batteries faulty, High voltage batteries systems overheating etc. Doesn’t stop them running most of the time, just annoying though as they are lovely to drive.

In 18 months I plan to get an EV, Until then I will keep my diesel going.

Goudy

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/82115775#Comment_82115775

The testing laws in China are changing from next year. They will have to put the cars through some really stiff driving, charging and battery tests over many kilometres in winter and summer tests.

They obviously feel there have been some rushed designs and wild claims being made so their Ministry for Industry and Information Technology are clamping down with sticker approvals.

It's hoped it should also help with this negative attitude that people have towards their EV products even though the same Chinese components like batteries are in nearly every other EV anyway.

BYD have a premium brand and they sent one of their cars through this new test. They ran the car over 30,000kms and they gave it over 350 megawatt charges. The battery dropped off less than 2%.

The cars are obviously designed to accept this sort of charging rate and they are actually on sale in China along with thousands of flash chargers with plans for thousands more. It's not a pipe dream, it's actually happening though I believe the peak charge rate is limited to 1000kw for the public chargers at the moment which is around 4 times that of a standard Tesla Supercharger.

As for the chargers themselves, They appear to be twin DC charger arrangements and reach peak output within 10 seconds. As for storing the energy to power them, I would imagine the storage capacity will be massive and charge via multi phase arrangements from the local power supply so the next 5, 10 or 20 waiting to use the charger shouldn't have a problem.

They will also be used differently. No one is going to be leaving their vehicle on charge overnight, they are a high powered EV versions of a splash and dash. There will be parts of the day when they will likely be unused for long periods, particularly when only certain high end models can use them, so energy storage can increase at a slower rate.

forgotmyname

Does not matter how many tests the bring in they call all be cheated to some degree. They put one car through the test a cherry
picked vehicle with cherry picked batteries and modified electronics and motor. Some manufacturers have been finding ways
to pass the tests when they know their vehicles should fail and that applies to petrol and diesel cars also.

Not just the emissions but the crash tests also. Who did the test on the 30k mile 350 charges vehicle? Would it have gone in
for a service where they accidentally replaced the battery and fettled the motor to be more efficient?

Been a while since I saw the megawatt charging video but I seem to remember it would cost over $1million for the chargers
and it's not exactly quiet around 80db. 30,000volts to the chargers?

Still a lot of numbers that say it's possible but not practical but that does not matter just pay the news outlets to
publish the headlines and make sure they do not check the facts that 1MW = The PEAK so it only needs to hit that for a
fraction of a second to make the headlines.

Bigphil1474

Wow, a lot of people can't see past the end of their nose it seems. The longest range EV currently available in the UK is the BMW iX3 at 500 miles. 621 miles is literally a 25% increase on that. Bit of a game changer. Maybe not for the UK, but there's a big world out there. Even in the UK, if you are an average miles driver, it could mean only having to charge up once a month, a bit like driving a diesel. And people saying it will take 2 days to charge - surely the point is that with a range that size, just charging for 6 hours overnight each night will give you plenty of juice for all your driving needs. Not everything is about meeting minimum needs - if my petrol car could only fit in 15 litres of petrol I wouldn't have bought it.

Goudy

It might not be practical to you or someone else living in suburban UK with their 60kw shopping trolley but that not to say they don't suit everyone.

Huawei's megawatt chargers were originally developed for the commercial industry, fact charging trucks and the likes but these technologies are already filtering down to everyday life. Charging rates have become faster and battery technology has become better and better. BYD are planning on installing them in 51 dealers around the country and another 250 elsewhere on major routes by the end of this year.

They are already up and running in Europe. Earlier this year Ionity started to roll them out in France and BYD's megawatt chargers are being rolled out in Germany who have had commercial megawatt chargers for a while.

Who cares if they are noisy, they will almost certainly be in carparks on motorway service stations next to noisy and busy motorways. These aren't the sort of thing you screw to your house wall. Even if you did, it's only noisy for a few minutes. These things though are designed for quick flash charging out on the road.

Your early Nissan Leaf charged at half the rate of the new Nissan Micra and some of the latest Tesla's charge over three times that.

As with most new technology, early adoption is usually at the highest price and that includes EV's. There are far more cheaper EV's on the market now than 5 years ago and even home chargers are now given away as part of sales or electricity tariffs rather than paid for through the nose like all those early adopters did.

Any cynic can question the validity of tests. With regards to motoring we tend to take them with a pinch of salt anyway even though the industry has been caught out in the past and stricter regulation put in place. Real results tend to come out in the wash though and despite the apparent cost of the technology, it's not holding anyone up deploying it.

Your common or garden Tesla Supercharger is soon going to look slow, but guess what, even they are increasing their speed and adopting the same technology.

Mildly_Miffed

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/82116456#Comment_82116456

Isn't that also precisely why an uber-range is irrelevant for those drivers?

Yes, 600 miles instead of 500 (although WLTP is likely to be 500 instead of 500) means once a month instead of every four weeks. Woo. People will still plug 'em in every night in their own drive. Or once a fortnight while they're at the shops. They'll continue to use a small bit of the full range.

lordmountararat

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/82114383#Comment_82114383

I lived in the US for five years, and discovered that my house, in common with most residential properties, had a 240 volt circuit in addition to the 110 volt ones. This is to power things like cookers and water heaters. EV charge points can thus be wired into 240 volt circuits.