BYD EV range over 1000km

Herzlos

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You also have the US power system which is 110v and takes much longer to charge anything, and pretty terrible infrastructure outside of cities which means high-speed charging may not be as available as you'd expect.

So I could see why 600 mile range would appeal to some even if they only need it for 2 weekends a year. Personally I'd rather rent something for those trips, as the fuel saving would easily cover it.

Mildly_Miffed

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6680882/byd-ev-range-over-1000km

It's big because of the battery needed for 1,000km range…

102kWh battery. The battery ALONE weighs 720kg.

Now, there's two ways of looking at this. One is that ~10km/kWh is impressive for a saloon the size of an S-class Merc. That's the figure that SHOULD be being highlighted, surely? (Except that's press-release guff, and I bet that's not what it'll really do on WLTP - bet it's nearer 800km. 8km/kWh is still not bad for something that size.)

The other is that it's a risible willy-wave waste of resources.

Make smaller and lighter and more efficient vehicles, they get impressive ranges from smaller batteries, which cuts weight further… A virtuous circle.

MyRealNameToo

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they do typically have two phases though and hence have 240v for air conditioning, tumble driers, cookers etc. Mrs' mother has a 240v 30 Amp socket in the kitchen, its old so is only 3 pin whereas modern ones are 4 pin, that was intended for a drier but shes scared of the socket so its not been used since I've known her. There exists a 240v 50amp socket too for electric cookers but hers is gas so doesnt have one of them.

Some us sites do talk of having the 50amp version being fitted for EV charging. Dunno how wide spread the two phase option is, their holiday home is in town so cant comment. Ive been to their country pad but cant remember if its got a 240v setup anywhere or not… its rather, erm, rustic

motorguy

i'm not seeing it as a game changer either.

For kick off 1000km is 620 miles, presumably WLTP, so probably around 540 miles.

Thats good, really good, but not a lot better than other offerings out there

And is range really an issue? It seems only to be a "thing" for people who dont own an EV. Those who actually own one know you dont do much more than about 250 miles before needing a comfort break anyway, so factor in a recharge when having that.

Also, average journey length these days is 8.2 miles…..

Keep_pedalling

The US market would be the natural target for a car like this, but 100% tariffs means it’s a market Chinese EV makers are barred from.

Aretnap

I suspect in this case most people will go for a smaller battery than the headline 102kWh one, to save weight and money. Even a 51kWh battery will be ~300 miles range and plenty for most.

I wonder if there's an element of doing it for the same reason that restaurants put a £100 bottle of wine on the wine list - they don't necessarily expect anyone to buy it, but it does make people more likely to buy the £60 one.

forgotmyname

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/82114238#Comment_82114238

100% Chinese paying news outlets to advertise their fake news stories like all the recent ones about their super high tech robots
which makes me wonder why is there always a man operating a radio transmitter alongside the robots?

Fit a big enough battery then any range is possible, setup a massive cooling rig and you can charge a battery a small amount
at a very fast rate. But can it charge from 5% to 100% at that rate for the entire time and how much will it cost to bring that to
every household?

They can get super high HP outputs for engines and they can make engines super fuel efficient but they don't go hand in
hand and are usually not suitable for your daily commute. Nobody is giving news outlets a ton of money to advertise them.

Mildly_Miffed

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Not even WLTP.

It's the Chinese CLTC, which typically gives much higher figures than WLTP.

Nasqueron

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/82114504#Comment_82114504

We make lasers and our systems all have 20amp mode primarily for the US market and 30amp for the rest of the world, as you say it's not as cut and dry as the old cliche about not using kettles as they take an hour to boil on 110v!

Goudy

This is a Chinese product for the Chinese market, they have no plans to bring it to Europe and I can believe that. Long wheel based saloons aren't as big in Europe as in China. Maybe if the import restrictions relax, the US might see them there at some point.

It's battery supports megawatt chargers that are available in China. These can deliver up to 1.5 mega watts and give hundreds of miles in a few minutes.

BYD have already installed thousands of their own flash chargers and I believe Huawei are building them as well. They work off big storages batteries to take the strain off the local electrical supply. It's the local supply that charges the storage battery and that storage battery that flash charges the EV battery. This means they can be basically built anywhere without and special high powered supply arrangements.

China is vast, it's only slightly smaller that the whole of Europe, so you can understand range requirements might be different between Europe and China. It not really designed and aimed at our market to be charged off 7kw home charger.