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  • masonic
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    Trustnet has tended not to be very good at classifying "non-subscribing" funds, which include many ITs.

  • Bostonerimus1
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    I realize that my flight away from Total Equity Markets dominated by tech is just the standard response of a retiree who wants to emphasize capital preservation over growth. So rather than being in volatile tech stocks I've moved into cash and value and dividend stocks. The new part of this is that the broad stock indexes have become dominated by a few high growth tech stocks.

    And so we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past.
  • aroominyork
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    De-risking is a standard response for most who have accumulated enough probably to see them through retirement. But most people in your position would also de-risk if they had hit their number and equities were less tech dominated. I think you conflate ‘equities dominated to tech’ with ‘equities’. Maybe tech has just been the trigger for you?

  • Bostonerimus1
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    edited 19 August at 11:26PM

    The bias of the S&P500 etc to tech has definitely spurred my changes; 40% in a single sector is scary. I'm still 67% equities which many people would see as aggressive for a retiree. I have DB pension, rent, annuity and SP to more than cover my spending so the asset allocation in my portfolio is a bit academic. My cash allocation is keeping up with inflation and I've moved out of tech with some of my equities because, even being a long term indexer, the arithmetic of AI debt seems unsustainable and the software folks I know who use GitHub and ClaudeCode are telling me that they were spending lots of money on AI code that is impossible to maintain so they are scaling back. My "BS" sensor also goes off when any of the tech CEOs start to talk so I want to scale back on the sector.

    After my changes 14% of my entire portfolio is in tech stocks and that is 20% of my equities. I might go lower, as things start to unfold.

    And so we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past.
  • aroominyork
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    Many would agree with your folks and your sensor. The great unknown is the level of contagion across the market when the BS hits the fan.

  • Bostonerimus1
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    edited 20 August at 2:16AM

    Well if things do go 🍐 shaped it won't be just tech stocks that take the hit, it will be construction, electricity generation and financials as well as the private equity investments of DB pensions. So my flight to value will still take a hit…and it will propagate across the globe as debt dries up and people cancel orders from Nvidia and ASML, hence my 22% (that's what my latest dashboard says) cash allocation.

    And so we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past.
  • GeoffTF
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    edited 20 August at 8:53AM

    You're conflating two very different strategies here: equal-weighting
    a broad market index (e.g. S&P 500 Equal Weight) and a systematic
    factor tilt like small-cap value (AVSG). Vanguard's article addresses
    the former, which simply spreads weight equally across the exact same
    large-cap constituents. AVSG filters for entirely different fundamental
    risk factors (Size, Value, and Profitability).

    Vanguard's article compares equal weight trackers market weighted trackers. In doing so, it highlights the risks and possible benefits of overweighting smaller stocks (which is what equal weighted trackers do). Equal weighted trackers do not include small cap stocks. Many of the issues that Vanguard discusses apply more even strongly to small cap stocks.

    Individual small-cap value stocks are going to be more volatile than mega-caps in
    isolation. But in portfolio construction, total risk depends on
    covariance (how assets move relative to each other). Adding a small
    allocation of a higher-volatility asset that isn't highly correlated
    with large-cap growth does not automatically increase overall portfolio
    volatility. It can actually smooth out portfolio-level returns over full
    market cycles.

    Adding a small amount of uncorrelated stock may indeed reduce portfolio volatility a little. People here are advocating adding a large amount of AVSG. Adding a large amount of more volatile stock increases portfolio volatility.

    By "risk", you seem to be referring to volatility, rather than structural risk.

    Future volatility is unknown, but it can be estimated from historical volatility. That works very well for options pricing. Volatility does not capture all the risks. YouTube is full of videos claiming that the high borrowing of the tech sector will lead to a global banking collapse. If that happens, I would not want to be overweight small high risk companies. Is there any evidence that small cap value stocks have outperformed in major stock market crashes?

  • aroominyork
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    edited 20 August at 10:53AM

    People here are advocating adding a large amount of AVSG. Adding a large amount of more volatile stock increases portfolio volatility.

    Who said that? I said 15%-20% of my US exposure - about 10% of my equity portfolio - is AVSG. masonic didn't quantify his holding.

  • GeoffTF
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    edited 20 August at 11:44AM

    Assuming 20% and that your exposure is from a global tracker global tracker, that is 0.15*0.65 = 9.75% to 0.2*0.65 = 13%. 10% FTSE) to 14% (MSCI) of the global equity market is classified as small cap. It looks like you are overweighting small cap value. It is up to you whether you think that the additional trouble and risk is worth it.

  • SnowMan
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    edited 20 August at 12:10PM

    https://www.vanguardinvestor.co.uk/articles/latest-thoughts/investing-success/three-new-global-equity-etfs

    We’re [Vanguard] delighted to announce the launch of three new global equity exchange-traded funds (ETFs), marking a significant expansion of our global ETF range.

    Leading the launch is the Vanguard FTSE Global All-Cap UCITS ETF, which provides a simple way to invest in companies of all sizes – from the world’s largest businesses to smaller companies – through a single investment.

    We’re also launching an ETF that focuses on smaller companies from around the world and another that provides exposure to companies outside the US.

    Together, the new ETFs give investors more choice in how they invest globally, while staying true to Vanguard’s commitment to long-term, low-cost investing.

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