Charge your EV from home

born_again

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/81873229#Comment_81873229

Totally agree NET ZERO is a pie in the sky dream. That would require us to go back to living in caves in animal skins, with no knowledge of fire 🤣

Cornucopia

I think it's quite hard to argue that the manufacturers in question (Ford, VW, Stellantis) had a good strategy for EVs AND (quite importantly) good EVs to sell at prices the market would pay.

I think Ford have finally got to something saleable with the Puma Gen-e. It'll be interesting to see what proportion of all Pumas are electric after a year or so. VW finally have something interesting coming in the form of the ID Polo (although it was first announced several years ago). Weirdly, other VAG brands have done better with EVs, so they know how to do it.

Stellantis is a weird one - lots of EVs across their brands, but is there anything that stands out? Part of not standing out might be because they tend to share each other's parts and engineering. I think a better strategy for them might have been to start with one good iconic design from each of their brands to build into a Stellantis EV range.

WellKnownSid

Another "charging my EV from home" thread descending into:

• Won't somebody think of the poor people in flats?
• There won't be enough electricity / substations / wires / dilithium crystals to go around
• I visit my Grandmother 44,000 miles away every month and she doesn't have electricity
• You can't charge an EV in the UK because it rains too much
• The batteries need replacing every three years and it costs ONE MILLION POUNDS
• Because Stellantis

Maybe we need a bingo card?

Cornucopia

It's not just Stellantis (not by a long way). Toyota had a huge lead with the Prius and whilst it has provided the UK with a lot of good taxis, they didn't exploit it. The new Toyota Urban Cruiser is nice enough, but is probably beaten on ability and price by a lot of other cars.

Baldytyke88

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/81873309#Comment_81873309

This and other Governments said that ICE cars would be banned, that was never going to be easy to manage.

Perhaps that was the wrong way to do it? Trump has managed to encourage/discourage car manufacturers in certain countries, taxes were the best answer. Tax ICE cars 10% extra every year or so.

Bigwheels1111

I drive a £550,000 pound EV every day.

I think it’s great, makes me want a EV myself.

Being old I remember seeing car on fire at the side of the road.

Laying under old diesel vans and lorries in the winter with a blow torch or fire in a bucket to heat the fuel tanks

& pipes, so it would start, health and safety Ha Ha.

ididgetwhereiamtoday

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/81873610#Comment_81873610

I’ve always wondered why Toyota didn’t capitalize on the Prius by doing an EV version. They could put a relatively small battery in (maybe 40kw) and because of its design it would still be a 200 mile EV. They really could have taken a good market share had they have done that 8 or 9 years ago.
Kia and Hyundai did this with the Ionic and Niro cars.
Toyota had the branding to do this with the Prius.

WellKnownSid

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/81875171#Comment_81875171

Toyota knew that we would all be driving around in their hydrogen powered cars by now so they invented a narrative ("the self-charging hybrid") which stuck despite the absurdity.

Grumpy_chap

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/81875171#Comment_81875171

Toyota did do a plug-in hybrid Prius which I think the first versions had about a 20 mile EV range and the car was absurdly expensive. The current plug-in hybrid Prius is around 50 mile EV range.

silverwhistle

Maybe we need a bingo card?

Nah! the game would be over too quickly.

because EVs inherently aren't better than ICE cars.

Sorry @letom, yes they are. More efficient, quieter, less vibration, better performing, easier and cheaper maintenance (exhausts, engine oil, cam belts etc etc), no tail pipe emissions (and as I also cycle can vouch for that) and charging for most early adopters a cheap and easy process.

Put simply, the entire system of putting fuel into a mode of transport relied on significant infrastructure cost going into the petrol station with no cost required after this

Um, no maintenance of tanks and other equipment such as pumps, no big petrol tankers clogging up the roads? It's a long time since I've used a petrol station but I recall the fumes, spilt diesel and queuing. No dirty and energy using refineries? Why should my small investment in the use of an existing electricity network be regarded differently as it's been in for 5 years without maintenance issues or costs?

They only sell through subsidies or 2nd hand buyers buying at the expense of the original owner. As for cheap electricity tariffs that is at the expense of the majority of the population subsidising you.

This really doesn't bear much examination @Arunmor. I was always a second hand buyer at around 4 years old so there is nothing new about depreciation nor much difference between the different fuel types at the moment, although there certainly is between manufacturers and models. My first EV was my first ever new car, bought entirely with my own money after a grin inducing test drive. As for cheap electricity tariffs, are you not aware that using electricity at certain times benefits the grid. Electricity companies aren't offering them out of the goodness of their hearts. If you wanted to go on Agile, for example, you could. Certain tariffs are offered dependent on ostensibly having an EV, but they are more expensive at peak times. They rely on adapting behaviours just like using a bus pass after 09.30 or getting a cheap off peak ticket on the railways.