Cant have ev car or solar panels or gas or heat pump!

llygoden

Where do we fit in this world of power savings? 

Nearly everyone I know is making savings somewhere. But my neighbours and I don’t fit in these areas of savings to be made.

Too far out from anywhere to have ev chargers. 

Solar panels are the right of the landlord.

Too far out from anywhere to have gas.
Heat pumps are looking more expensive than they seem. 

One friend, had heat pumps put in but they would not put in the cladding. His costs are extortionate and their cold. Also one of the pumps failed fairly quickly. 

Keep_pedalling

What do you mean to far out from anywhere to have an EV charge point?

mark_cycling00

People aren't necessarily making savings. 

EVs are much more expensive that ICE cars and are now taxed 3p per mile or something.

Many people with heat pumps have also spent thousands and thousands on new insulation, new radiators, plant rooms and massive batteries. They still don't always save money.

Solar panels only break even after 10 years and are often unsuitable on many roofs.

You can feel a lot of FOMO reading media stories about "saving money". 

I'm saying the next thing in jest: if you want to make money from renewable energy stick the £45,000 you'd spend on an EV and solar panels in some renewable energy shares paying 10-12% dividends. 

You'll get £5,500 a year return and never pay for energy or petrol again.

Ps don't do this it's very risky 

ButterCheese

It's only a viable saving model when done from above i..e governments investing in solar and wind power so we don't have to import expensive gas and electric from abroad.  The rest of us have been conned into getting various kit to save money, as it looks good for national targets.  Yes you can save over time if you get solar panels, my parents are already doing this.  but everything else is not a saving in the short to medium term.  Even electric vehicles, they might save travel costs if you have free or cheap electric from solar, but they also use a lot of rare earth metals and are energy-hungry in their production and disposal.  Not to mention the ethical concerns of how the raw products for LI-Ion batteries are mined.

The best anyone can do is limit unecessary travel, limit food and plastic waste, and stop wasting energy at home.  If everyone did this, we wouldn't have such a large problem.  But we do, because so mnay UK residents are trying their hardest for little to no gain, whilst huge countries spew a thousand times more pollutants than we do.  The ebergy we do manage to save is eaten up by corporate companies and share holders intent on retaining their billions in profit every year

MyRealNameToo

mark_cycling00 said:

EVs are much more expensive that ICE cars and are now taxed 3p per mile or something.

April 2028 is the proposed start date for taxing EVs by miles driven... a lot can happen in over 2 years.

mark_cycling00 said:

Many people with heat pumps have also spent thousands and thousands on new insulation, new radiators, plant rooms and massive batteries. They still don't always save money.

Depends what they are replacing... if they had electric heating before then they probably are saving money. 

MattMattMattUK

llygoden said:

Where do we fit in this world of power savings? 

Nearly everyone I know is making savings somewhere. But my neighbours and I don’t fit in these areas of savings to be made.

Too far out from anywhere to have ev chargers. 

What do you mean "too far out from anywhere"?

llygoden said:

Solar panels are the right of the landlord.

Too far out from anywhere to have gas.
Heat pumps are looking more expensive than they seem. 

If you are not the property owner then you have very little ability to change anything, if you want to make home improvements you need to own the property. 

llygoden said:

One friend, had heat pumps put in but they would not put in the cladding. His costs are extortionate and their cold. 

Sounds like a badly specified system rather than anything else. Heat pumps have a cost per kWh of heat roughly comparable to gas if used on day rate electricity, much cheaper if used on night rate, especially in combination with battery storage. The previous heat source would have also been expensive, gas comparable, solid fuel or oil more expensive. 

llygoden said:

Also one of the pumps failed fairly quickly. 

Then it should have been replaced under warranty, for most people they should last at least a decade, more with proper servicing. 

llygoden

Keep_pedalling said:

What do you mean to far out from anywhere to have an EV charge point?

N Wales has few EV chargers. 
I struggle to walk a few hundred yards. The nearest is 1 mile away. 0.82p/kw


mark_cycling00 said:

People aren't necessarily making savings. 

EVs are much more expensive that ICE cars and are now taxed 3p per mile or something.

Many people with heat pumps have also spent thousands and thousands on new insulation, new radiators, plant rooms and massive batteries. They still don't always save money.

Solar panels only break even after 10 years and are often unsuitable on many roofs.

You can feel a lot of FOMO reading media stories about "saving money". 

I'm saying the next thing in jest: if you want to make money from renewable energy stick the £45,000 you'd spend on an EV and solar panels in some renewable energy shares paying 10-12% dividends. 

You'll get £5,500 a year return and never pay for energy or petrol again.

Ps don't do this it's very risky 

That's one opinion.
0.03p/mile doesn't happen for 3 years yet!
A lot are saving on heat pumps depends on type of home etc. These are usually the people who are spending £600+/m
Solar panels are practically free to certain people most use the no investment schemes.
I've seen proof of good savings. Especially my ex is saving £105/month. Using EV.

ButterCheese said:

It's only a viable saving model when done from above i..e governments investing in solar and wind power so we don't have to import expensive gas and electric from abroad.  The rest of us have been conned into getting various kit to save money, as it looks good for national targets.  Yes you can save over time if you get solar panels, my parents are already doing this.  but everything else is not a saving in the short to medium term.  Even electric vehicles, they might save travel costs if you have free or cheap electric from solar, but they also use a lot of rare earth metals and are energy-hungry in their production and disposal.  Not to mention the ethical concerns of how the raw products for LI-Ion batteries are mined.

The best anyone can do is limit unecessary travel, limit food and plastic waste, and stop wasting energy at home.  If everyone did this, we wouldn't have such a large problem.  But we do, because so mnay UK residents are trying their hardest for little to no gain, whilst huge countries spew a thousand times more pollutants than we do.  The ebergy we do manage to save is eaten up by corporate companies and share holders intent on retaining their billions in profit every year

EV is the only way forward.
Not relying on anyone is always the best way to go! 

MattMattMattUK said:

llygoden said:

Where do we fit in this world of power savings? 

Nearly everyone I know is making savings somewhere. But my neighbours and I don’t fit in these areas of savings to be made.

Too far out from anywhere to have ev chargers. 

What do you mean "too far out from anywhere"? 4 Miles from the nearest town. All high cost chargers. 1 charger 1 mile away but £0.88/kw is steep.

llygoden said:

Solar panels are the right of the landlord.

Too far out from anywhere to have gas.
Heat pumps are looking more expensive than they seem. 

If you are not the property owner then you have very little ability to change anything, if you want to make home improvements you need to own the property.

Agreed!
But, unfair?

llygoden said:

One friend, had heat pumps put in but they would not put in the cladding. His costs are extortionate and their cold. 

Sounds like a badly specified system rather than anything else. Heat pumps have a cost per kWh of heat roughly comparable to gas if used on day rate electricity, much cheaper if used on night rate, especially in combination with battery storage. The previous heat source would have also been expensive, gas comparable, solid fuel or oil more expensive.

Agreed!
There are too many Bandits in this area of speciality.
Another neighbour had it put in but, they had the same issue a leak after only a month. They ended up getting a different firm in to fix it!

llygoden said:

Also one of the pumps failed fairly quickly. 

Then it should have been replaced under warranty, for most people they should last at least a decade, more with proper servicing. 

Warranties are only valid with certified installers. 

People are trying to save money where they can as pennies are very tight more and more. I'm just looking to save like everyone else. 
This begs the question? Are only the rich getting the incentives?

llygoden

Sorry 0.82p/kw 1 mile away. Clumpy fingers.

QrizB

llygoden said:

Keep_pedalling said:

What do you mean to far out from anywhere to have an EV charge point?

N Wales has few EV chargers. 
I struggle to walk a few hundred yards. The nearest is 1 mile away. 0.82p/kw

But you live in a house? And that house has electricity? Does it aso have off-street parking?

llygoden said:

Solar panels are the right of the landlord.

Yes, if you rent then currently solar PV would need permanent installation and the landlord's consent.

But the UK Gov is consulting on plug-in solar PV (legal in most of Europe but not here), so in a year or two you might have that option.

https://www.efixx.co.uk/Articles/plug-in-solar-uk-regulations

llygoden said:

Too far out from anywhere to have gas.
Heat pumps are looking more expensive than they seem. 

Not having gas is a good thing, since it;s being got rid of (very slowly).

Heat pumps are about as cheap as mains gas, potentially cheaper if you get them set up correctly.

WiserMiser

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/81855500#Comment_81855500

Nope. It's 100 times that figure, 82p. And its per kWh, not kW.

debitcardmayhem

llygoden said:» N Wales has few EV chargers. 
I struggle to walk a few hundred yards. The nearest is 1 mile away. 0.82p/kw

But you take the car to the charger what does walking have to do with it?