Photo id for ISA mandatory?

MichaelAP

mills112 said:

MichaelAP said:

x44 said:

MichaelAP said:

I am told to go purchase a Passport just to identify myself……. Why should I? Why on earth should I purchase a Passport when I have no desire for travel simply to appease those with such shortsighted methods.

I have a Blue Badge card that has my photo but no…. It is not allowed.

I recently help someone apply online for a Blue Badge (this was one of the councils that have their own system) and the requirements for photo ID were quite clear. I ended up scanning their driving licence and uploading it to meet the council's requirements - and take a new photo of them for the actual image to appear on the Blue Badge. I suppose it figures - you want a blue badge so you can park nearby so you obviously must have a driving licence!

Just for comparison the UK passports last 10 years and costs £94. Estonia has the most integrated and compulsory ID system in existance and their ID costs £35 for residents and lasts for 5 years so £70 equivalent every 10 years - which is not far off our passport cost - except for Estonain citizens paying for their ID is mandatory: don't like it - tough sh*t: pay up!

Firstly, as I mentioned above; I can no longer drive. As such I do not hold a driving license. My blue badge is used for whoever transports me in THEIR vehicle.

Secondly, In reference to your last remark “ don’t like it - tough sh*t: pay up!
That is one of the most condescending remarks I have heard. That simple remark of yours sums up the attitude of those who do not understand people in the same situation as myself. We should not be forced to purchase something which will not be used for it’s desired requirement. Medically I will NEVER be able to travel.

they should allow people who don't need a passport or have a driving licence, the opportunity to buy an ID card, but unfortunately they don't do that so the alternative is to get a passport.

although i read on the news that they are going to introduce digital ID card soon, which you need to get a job, so that may be the way forward.

That is the problem… I already have two photo ID cards. A Veterans Card which requires a .Gov verification and a Blue Badge which also requires a photo verification.
However, neither are accepted in the realms of what we are talking of here.
The system is flawed and the only people that suffer are the one’s requiring help. It is the shortsighted of organisations that fail those in need. 

masonic

MichaelAP said:

mills112 said:

MichaelAP said:

x44 said:

MichaelAP said:

I am told to go purchase a Passport just to identify myself……. Why should I? Why on earth should I purchase a Passport when I have no desire for travel simply to appease those with such shortsighted methods.

I have a Blue Badge card that has my photo but no…. It is not allowed.

I recently help someone apply online for a Blue Badge (this was one of the councils that have their own system) and the requirements for photo ID were quite clear. I ended up scanning their driving licence and uploading it to meet the council's requirements - and take a new photo of them for the actual image to appear on the Blue Badge. I suppose it figures - you want a blue badge so you can park nearby so you obviously must have a driving licence!

Just for comparison the UK passports last 10 years and costs £94. Estonia has the most integrated and compulsory ID system in existance and their ID costs £35 for residents and lasts for 5 years so £70 equivalent every 10 years - which is not far off our passport cost - except for Estonain citizens paying for their ID is mandatory: don't like it - tough sh*t: pay up!

Firstly, as I mentioned above; I can no longer drive. As such I do not hold a driving license. My blue badge is used for whoever transports me in THEIR vehicle.

Secondly, In reference to your last remark “ don’t like it - tough sh*t: pay up!
That is one of the most condescending remarks I have heard. That simple remark of yours sums up the attitude of those who do not understand people in the same situation as myself. We should not be forced to purchase something which will not be used for it’s desired requirement. Medically I will NEVER be able to travel.

they should allow people who don't need a passport or have a driving licence, the opportunity to buy an ID card, but unfortunately they don't do that so the alternative is to get a passport.

although i read on the news that they are going to introduce digital ID card soon, which you need to get a job, so that may be the way forward.

That is the problem… I already have two photo ID cards. A Veterans Card which requires a .Gov verification and a Blue Badge which also requires a photo verification.
However, neither are accepted in the realms of what we are talking of here.
The system is flawed and the only people that suffer are the one’s requiring help. It is the shortsighted of organisations that fail those in need. 

Which is part of the motivation for the new system. Here's hoping it delivers.

happybagger

masonic said
 Here's hoping it delivers.

An expensive wasteful use of taxpayer funds when it doesn't

masonic

happybagger said:

masonic said
 Here's hoping it delivers.

An expensive wasteful use of taxpayer funds when it doesn't

Are you wishing for this outcome? Never understood such an attitude. It's about 0.2% of annual government spending to get the system in place, and the groundwork was laid by the previous lot. It's beyond me that obligations were forced onto businesses in the first place without providing effective means to comply.

mills112

masonic said:

happybagger said:

masonic said
 Here's hoping it delivers.

An expensive wasteful use of taxpayer funds when it doesn't

Are you wishing for this outcome? Never understood such an attitude. It's about 0.2% of annual government spending to get the system in place, and the groundwork was laid by the previous lot. It's beyond me that obligations were forced onto businesses in the first place without providing effective means to comply.

it will get rid of a lot of illegal workers as passports and driving licence are easy to forge. of course it brings on another level of tech fraud, but i think it will be more difficult to do tech fraud than to forge a passport that can fool employers.

i think it will start to become the ID card that was abandoned many years ago.  I personally believe everyone should have an ID card as having to bring passports and driving licence to prove your ID is just so antiquated in this modern day and age.  and you don't want to be carrying your passport around with you unneccesarily as you may end up losing it!

happybagger

masonic said:

Are you wishing for this outcome? Never understood such an attitude. It's about 0.2% of annual government spending to get the system in place, and the groundwork was laid by the previous lot. It's beyond me that obligations were forced onto businesses in the first place without providing effective means to comply.

I am wishing for them to not go ahead so the outcome I wish for if it did go ahead doesn't happen.
The percentage of spending is irrelevant. It is still a waste I'd rather not happen. And if you think that will be stuck to, think HS2.
The reasons given for its introduction by UK gov are complete twaddle and any incoming government will pull the plug.
A more cost effective solution to the issues raised on here about ID would be, as I have suggested before, widening the DVL application to one without entitlement to drive. Giving every single person who hasn't got a licence one for nothing on request would cost a fraction of the cost of the folly they are proposing.

That's all I'm saying on this else it'll end up down the forbidden political debate route.

masonic

mills112 said:

masonic said:

happybagger said:

masonic said
 Here's hoping it delivers.

An expensive wasteful use of taxpayer funds when it doesn't

Are you wishing for this outcome? Never understood such an attitude. It's about 0.2% of annual government spending to get the system in place, and the groundwork was laid by the previous lot. It's beyond me that obligations were forced onto businesses in the first place without providing effective means to comply.

it will get rid of a lot of illegal workers as passports and driving licence are easy to forge. of course it brings on another level of tech fraud, but i think it will be more difficult to do tech fraud than to forge a passport that can fool employers.
i think it will start to become the ID card that was abandoned many years ago.  I personally believe everyone should have an ID card as having to bring passports and driving licence to prove your ID is just so antiquated in this modern day and age.  and you don't want to be carrying your passport around with you unneccesarily as you may end up losing it!

I imagine a proportion of illegal workers are known to be such by exploitative employers. But that aside, financial firms are spending increasing amounts of money dealing with AML regs, we now have age restrictions being placed on websites, where a well designed system would allow an individual to prove their age without giving that website personal information they may be uncomfortable with them storing, and those renewing postal votes are now being asked for ID documents to be sent insecurely by email, to name but a few challenges of the status quo.

Section62

masonic said:

mills112 said:

masonic said:

happybagger said:

masonic said
 Here's hoping it delivers.

An expensive wasteful use of taxpayer funds when it doesn't

Are you wishing for this outcome? Never understood such an attitude. It's about 0.2% of annual government spending to get the system in place, and the groundwork was laid by the previous lot. It's beyond me that obligations were forced onto businesses in the first place without providing effective means to comply.

it will get rid of a lot of illegal workers as passports and driving licence are easy to forge. of course it brings on another level of tech fraud, but i think it will be more difficult to do tech fraud than to forge a passport that can fool employers.
i think it will start to become the ID card that was abandoned many years ago.  I personally believe everyone should have an ID card as having to bring passports and driving licence to prove your ID is just so antiquated in this modern day and age.  and you don't want to be carrying your passport around with you unneccesarily as you may end up losing it!

I imagine a proportion of illegal workers are known to be such by exploitative employers. But that aside, financial firms are spending increasing amounts of money dealing with AML regs, we now have age restrictions being placed on websites, where a well designed system would allow an individual to prove their age without giving that website personal information they may be uncomfortable with them storing, and those renewing postal votes are now being asked for ID documents to be sent insecurely by email, to name but a few challenges of the status quo.

Seems happybagger has their wish...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3385zrrx73o

Government drops plans for mandatory digital ID to work in UK

...at least in part.

masonic

Section62 said:

masonic said:

mills112 said:

masonic said:

happybagger said:

masonic said
 Here's hoping it delivers.

An expensive wasteful use of taxpayer funds when it doesn't

Are you wishing for this outcome? Never understood such an attitude. It's about 0.2% of annual government spending to get the system in place, and the groundwork was laid by the previous lot. It's beyond me that obligations were forced onto businesses in the first place without providing effective means to comply.

it will get rid of a lot of illegal workers as passports and driving licence are easy to forge. of course it brings on another level of tech fraud, but i think it will be more difficult to do tech fraud than to forge a passport that can fool employers.
i think it will start to become the ID card that was abandoned many years ago.  I personally believe everyone should have an ID card as having to bring passports and driving licence to prove your ID is just so antiquated in this modern day and age.  and you don't want to be carrying your passport around with you unneccesarily as you may end up losing it!

I imagine a proportion of illegal workers are known to be such by exploitative employers. But that aside, financial firms are spending increasing amounts of money dealing with AML regs, we now have age restrictions being placed on websites, where a well designed system would allow an individual to prove their age without giving that website personal information they may be uncomfortable with them storing, and those renewing postal votes are now being asked for ID documents to be sent insecurely by email, to name but a few challenges of the status quo.

Seems happybagger has their wish...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3385zrrx73o

Government drops plans for mandatory digital ID to work in UK

...at least in part.

Must've had a word

Though it looks like the only part being dropped is the "mandatory" bit, so no money will be saved.

happybagger

just the first step 👍