Can I ignore/appeal NCP parking charge?

ParkingFinesHelpPls

Appreciate this has probably been asked hundreds of times but I received a parking charge letter today from NCP for “parking in an unauthorised area and liability for the same having been brought to the attention of the driver by clear signage in and around the car park”.

The fine is £60 to be increased to £100.

The car park was full and there was a full sized space marked ‘MOTOR’ free so I parked in it. I paid for parking and didn’t overrun time. However, the space next to it, also full sized, is marked ‘CYCLES’, indicating these spaces are for motorcycles. This has not been mentioned or included in the evidence.

Would I have any chance of appealing on the basis that the signage is unclear?

Or can I just ignore letters from NCP? Can they legally impose the fine on me?

The letter is addressed to my dad, who is the registered owner of the car, if that matters.

I have also parked here multiple times since so I am concerned I may get more fines.

Many thanks in advance!

Gr1pr

Definitely NOT a fine,  just an invoice from a private parking company  NCP,  to the Registered Keeper,  your dad

As its addressed to him, you dont appeal it,  unless he names you as the driver, his vehicle so currently its his problem as its in his name 

Anyone can issue an invoice to another,  so its a legal invoice,  which may be enforceable in law

NCP have no idea that you were the driver,  so wont be suing you,  you are not involved at the moment so won't be receiving any letters, your dad will 

He can appeal it using the template in the newbies sticky thread in announcements,  as keeper but not the driver 

He can ignore it, but NCP may sue him in the future,  especially if there are multiple invoices for different days 

Name the location 

James_Poisson

Follow the advice above and get researching this forum from the stickies on page one, note you need to get on top of the terminology and the reality:

It is not a "fine" it is an invoice from alleged breach of contract, there is no register of vehicle "owners" it is a register of keeper, the parking company is just a company that has hit on a way of making money out of signage, which in this case seems to be deficient.

Dated photo evidence would be useful!

Coupon-mad

Surely it's likely to be non-POFA worded (like NCP ones usually are; see my NTK pictures thread to compare).

Please don't ask us to check it. You just need to compare the wording about 28 days.

Then DAD appeals it, of course. Not you. Very very easy and if I am right, it's 100% win as long as the driver is not named.

1505grandad

As above  -  also check the date of the parking event and the issue/sending dates on the NtK are POFA compliant.

ParkingFinesHelpPls

Gr1pr said:

Definitely NOT a fine,  just an invoice from a private parking company  NCP,  to the Registered Keeper,  your dad

As its addressed to him, you dont appeal it,  unless he names you as the driver, his vehicle so currently its his problem as its in his name 

Anyone can issue an invoice to another,  so its a legal invoice,  which may be enforceable in law

NCP have no idea that you were the driver,  so wont be suing you,  you are not involved at the moment so won't be receiving any letters, your dad will 

He can appeal it using the template in the newbies sticky thread in announcements,  as keeper but not the driver 

He can ignore it, but NCP may sue him in the future,  especially if there are multiple invoices for different days 

Name the location 

Thanks, that’s helpful.

I would like to deal with it on my Dad’s behalf, given I was driving the car, and obviously do not want him to get into any legal issues.

Location was Wokingham The Plaza.

ParkingFinesHelpPls

James_Poisson said:

Follow the advice above and get researching this forum from the stickies on page one, note you need to get on top of the terminology and the reality:

It is not a "fine" it is an invoice from alleged breach of contract, there is no register of vehicle "owners" it is a register of keeper, the parking company is just a company that has hit on a way of making money out of signage, which in this case seems to be deficient.

Dated photo evidence would be useful!

Thanks, will do.

Here’s a pic of the letter!

ParkingFinesHelpPls

1505grandad said:

As above  -  also check the date of the parking event and the issue/sending dates on the NtK are POFA compliant.

Thanks, I’ve attached some pics of the letter above.

ParkingFinesHelpPls

Coupon-mad said:

Surely it's likely to be non-POFA worded (like NCP ones usually are; see my NTK pictures thread to compare).

Please don't ask us to check it. You just need to compare the wording about 28 days.

Then DAD appeals it, of course. Not you. Very very easy and if I am right, it's 100% win as long as the driver is not named.

Great, thanks for the advice. I shall have a look.

Driver is not named. 

James_Poisson

As far as I can see @Coupon-mad is correct the NTK cannot hold the keeper liable.

Coupon-mad

ParkingFinesHelpPls said:

Gr1pr said:

Definitely NOT a fine,  just an invoice from a private parking company  NCP,  to the Registered Keeper,  your dad

As its addressed to him, you dont appeal it,  unless he names you as the driver, his vehicle so currently its his problem as its in his name 

Anyone can issue an invoice to another,  so its a legal invoice,  which may be enforceable in law

NCP have no idea that you were the driver,  so wont be suing you,  you are not involved at the moment so won't be receiving any letters, your dad will 

He can appeal it using the template in the newbies sticky thread in announcements,  as keeper but not the driver 

He can ignore it, but NCP may sue him in the future,  especially if there are multiple invoices for different days 

Name the location 

Thanks, that’s helpful.

I would like to deal with it on my Dad’s behalf, given I was driving the car, and obviously do not want him to get into any legal issues.

No you won't! It is won now, in Dad's name.

I explained how to win and how to easily play spot the difference & check the NTK.