Will this adaptor connect this pipe to this fitting?

Brimble

bjorn_toby_wilde said:

Brimble said:

No, that is the correct orientation. I know it seems odd, I thought that too, but that's the only way it can go on. Obviously then the two holes facing us in the picture fit onto the back of the WS.

That angle you've highlighted in yellow is not actually a thread at all, it's not screw-on - the plastic male pushes into the push-fit fitting on the manifold, and that connection has some 'give' in it, presumably for situations like mine. The two plastic fittings on the manifold are both like that, they can fairly comfortably move maybe 10 or so degrees in any direction. But even so, the elbow, on that side at least, would surely help alleviate some of that tension, which can only be a good thing.

The manifold end of the connector looks like the locking type to me.  If that’s the case then you push the black 22mm male end of the hose in as far as it will go then turn the knurled white collar clockwise to lock it in place.

If you watch this video from about 30 seconds in you’ll see what I mean. It shows JG Speedfit used with plastic pipe, but the method is the same. Push in the pipe and twist the collar to lock it securely.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oA985Es9Inw

Aha yes, you're quite right, I hadn't realised it did that, thanks. That makes it feel more secure, i.e. less 'give'. That in itself means the bend would be tighter, but with the elbow that problem will be solved.

Brimble

WIAWSNB said:

Brimble said:

No, that is the correct orientation. I know it seems odd, I thought that too, but that's the only way it can go on. Obviously then the two holes facing us in the picture fit onto the back of the WS.
That angle you've highlighted in yellow is not actually a thread at all, it's not screw-on - the plastic male pushes into the push-fit fitting on the manifold, and that connection has some 'give' in it, presumably for situations like mine. The two plastic fittings on the manifold are both like that, they can fairly comfortably move maybe 10 or so degrees in any direction. But even so, the elbow, on that side at least, would surely help alleviate some of that tension, which can only be a good thing.

Ah, ok, that's fine.

So, the WS, as shown in your previous pic, sits facing the back of the unit? That manifold will sit behind it? Oh no it won't. Oh yes it will...

Cough

That's ok, then - it looks as tho' only the further-to-the-right fittings needs that spigot elbow. It should help it a lot.

When you then presumably tighten up the fitting collar, it closes up the 'gap'?

In which case, jobbie jobbed

Happy New Soft Water.

Well, I'm not counting my chickens quite yet - I've ordered two adaptors and one elbow, hopefully we can pick them up tomorrow then it will be fingers crossed that everything works as expected.

As you've all been so incredibly helpful, I'll report back here either way.

Brimble

Right, today's update:

We've fitted everything as best we can. We didn't use the elbow in the end, as it meant having far too much hose with nowhere for it to go, so we've gone without it, and the flexi hose is a bit stretched / bent, but not actually kinked, so hopefully that side of it will be ok. (It wasn't easy - the holes in the unit weren't quite forward enough, so we had to enlarge them - sometimes it's the things you don't think of that cause the problems...)

Problem now is on the tap side at the bottom, where we have a leak where the adaptor meets the tap connection. I used PTFE tape (clockwise from the end of the male thread), which I've tried 3 times now, but always the same result, one little drip of water every 12 seconds or so. That being the case, I assume the best option is a washer (as suggested previously by some of you)? (Is that likely to be the problem, or could it be something else?) In order to avoid having to remove the adaptor again (which would be a pain), do you know what type and size of washer I need? There are so many different sorts and I haven't got a clue, I don't even know if 'washer' is the right word... What 'washer' would fit in the adaptor that I linked to in my opening post please?

In the meantime, is it 'safe' to let it drip like that, will it suddenly fly off and flood the kitchen etc?

bjorn_toby_wilde

That’s good. Just one minor leak then.

No, it won’t fly off. It’ll just continue to drip.

Have you tried nipping it up just a little tighter?

The fitting should have had a rubber washer inside it. If it didn’t then you’re looking for a 3/4 tap connector washer. Try your nearest plumbers merchants as the DIY sheds will want to sell you a pack. That plus 4 winds of PTFE tape should stop it.

WIAWSNB

Brimble said:

Right, today's update:

We've fitted everything as best we can. We didn't use the elbow in the end, as it meant having far too much hose with nowhere for it to go, so we've gone without it, and the flexi hose is a bit stretched / bent, but not actually kinked, so hopefully that side of it will be ok. (It wasn't easy - the holes in the unit weren't quite forward enough, so we had to enlarge them - sometimes it's the things you don't think of that cause the problems...)

Problem now is on the tap side at the bottom, where we have a leak where the adaptor meets the tap connection. I used PTFE tape (clockwise from the end of the male thread), which I've tried 3 times now, but always the same result, one little drip of water every 5 seconds or so. That being the case, I assume the best option is a washer (as suggested previously by some of you)? (Is that likely to be the problem, or could it be something else?) In order to avoid having to remove the adaptor again (which would be a pain), do you know what type and size of washer I need? There are so many different sorts and I haven't got a clue, I don't even know if 'washer' is the right word... What 'washer' would fit in the adaptor that I linked to in my opening post please?

In the meantime, is it 'safe' to let it drip like that, will it suddenly fly off and flood the kitchen etc?

Wow, I'm surprised it's dripping.

1st, no, it ain't going to blow off. It'll just keep dripping, so I'm sure you have a dish under there?

Hmm, the PTFE should have done the trick. I suggest you persevere. Undo that coupling - water off... - and wrap some more turns on the male end of the vale, clockwise. Then refit the adaptor, tightening it up fully.

AfaIk, they don't come with washers, tho' it's always a potential solution. But, you'd need to find the right type, and the adaptor would need to 'bottom out' in order to squish the washer. And the male end would jot have to be too sharp. And the washer so loose it distorts.

Use PTFE... 

Or jointing compound.

bjorn_toby_wilde

Something like this 

https://www.toolstation.com/flex-tap-connector-washer/p30349?store=AV

Brimble

So would this one work? (We have a Wickes nearer to us...)

Primaflow Flexible Tap Connector Washer - 19mm Pack Of 5 | Wickes.co.uk

It's say 19mm, but I assume that's the inside measurement and it will actually fit my 3/4" tap connection, is that right?

Brimble

bjorn_toby_wilde said:

That’s good. Just one minor leak then.

No, it won’t fly off. It’ll just continue to drip.

Have you tried nipping it up just a little tighter?

The fitting should have had a rubber washer inside it. If it didn’t then you’re looking for a 3/4 tap connector washer. Try your nearest plumbers merchants as the DIY sheds will want to sell you a pack. That plus 4 winds of PTFE tape should stop it.

When you say "4 winds of PTFE tape", I assume you mean start at the end and wind 4 times with some overlap up the stem? You don't mean do the same whole thing 3 more times do you? (I don't really know about PTFE tape). But we'll get the washer too defintiely.

Brimble

WIAWSNB said:

Wow, I'm surprised it's dripping.

1st, no, it ain't going to blow off. It'll just keep dripping, so I'm sure you have a dish under there?

Hmm, the PTFE should have done the trick. I suggest you persevere. Undo that coupling - water off... - and wrap some more turns on the male end of the vale, clockwise. Then refit the adaptor, tightening it up fully.

AfaIk, they don't come with washers, tho' it's always a potential solution. But, you'd need to find the right type, and the adaptor would need to 'bottom out' in order to squish the washer. And the male end would jot have to be too sharp. And the washer so loose it distorts.

Use PTFE... 

Or jointing compound.

I expect it's me doing something wrong. As you can see, I've not tighten it as far as it will go, as people normally say not to, could it simply be that? But I don't want to overtighten and damage it...

Is jointing compound likely to work better? Happy to get that while we're in Wickes if it's likely to be a better option?

diveunderthebonnet

Brimble said:

bjorn_toby_wilde said:

That’s good. Just one minor leak then.

No, it won’t fly off. It’ll just continue to drip.

Have you tried nipping it up just a little tighter?

The fitting should have had a rubber washer inside it. If it didn’t then you’re looking for a 3/4 tap connector washer. Try your nearest plumbers merchants as the DIY sheds will want to sell you a pack. That plus 4 winds of PTFE tape should stop it.

When you say "4 winds of PTFE tape", I assume you mean start at the end and wind 4 times with some overlap up the stem? You don't mean do the same whole thing 3 more times do you? (I don't really know about PTFE tape). But we'll get the washer too defintiely.

When i use PTFE tape i wrap it round the screw thread about 3 times so 3 times as thick but when you screw the fitting on it compresses it and seals ,use two spanners and tighten it up really tight.