Will this adaptor connect this pipe to this fitting?

Brimble

Yes, the WS will sit in the unit pictured below, which is to the right of the under-sink unit in my original pictures. In those original pictures, you can see the top holes where the inlet pipe needs to pass through - the outlet one is similar, just maybe 15-20cm lower. I can't get the adaptors until tomorrow, but I've measured up as best I can, with a few assumptions, and if I didn't extend anything, and just used the two new hoses that came with the WS, then it should look something like this:



As you can probably see, both the hoses and their plastic fittings are straining a little to cope with the angle, particularly the right hand side one (the inlet, top hole in the kitchen unit) - is that ok, or is it too much 'strain' to be safe?

Btw, I'm aware that it would be pretty much impossible to get the hoses through the holes with the WS connected to the mainfold (and therefore 'in the way'), so my plan (if we keep these short hoses with no kind of extension) is to tie some string to the end of each hose, push the string through the holes beforehand, then I should hopefully be able to pull the hoses through to the sink side. That's the plan anyway...

WIAWSNB

Brimble said:

Yes, the WS will sit in the unit pictured below, which is to the right of the under-sink unit in my original pictures. In those original pictures, you can see the top holes where the inlet pipe needs to pass through - the outlet one is similar, just maybe 15-20cm lower. I can't get the adaptors until tomorrow, but I've measured up as best I can, with a few assumptions, and if I didn't extend anything, and just used the two new hoses that came with the WS, then it should look something like this:



As you can probably see, both the hoses and their plastic fittings are straining a little to cope with the angle, particularly the right hand side one (the inlet, top hole in the kitchen unit) - is that ok, or is it too much 'strain' to be safe?

Btw, I'm aware that it would be pretty much impossible to get the hoses through the holes with the WS connected to the mainfold (and therefore 'in the way'), so my plan (if we keep these short hoses with no kind of extension) is to tie some string to the end of each hose, push the string through the holes beforehand, then I should hopefully be able to pull the hoses through to the sink side. That's the plan anyway...

Blimey! Does the new WS also have a manifold? I'd assumed they connected directly.
Anyhoo, what I think I can say is that the tighter flexi - the right hand jobbie - is still ok, just. The LH baby is comfortable.
So, I can see an elbow at that RH connection being really helpful, so I'd be inclined to go that way - it'll ease the angle, and give you an inch or three.
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Brimble

Sorry, that manifold IS the one from the new WS - it disconnects, which is useful for me as it enabled me to try out the measurements etc.

So, for the elbow, is there a difference between the one you kindly linked, and the two that I linked?

Flomasta Plastic Push-Fit Equal 90° Stem Elbow 22mm - Screwfix

FloPlast FloFit+ Plastic Push-Fit Equal 90° Stem Elbow 22mm - Screwfix

I know they don't say 'spigot', but are they actually different somehow to the one you linked? (I only ask because then I could get everything I need from Screwfix rather than awaiting delivery from snh - though tbh it's not a deal-breaker, we're in no rush).

WIAWSNB

Brimble said:

Sorry, that manifold IS the one from the new WS - it disconnects, which is useful for me as it enabled me to try out the measurements etc.
So, for the elbow, is there a difference between the one you kindly linked, and the two that I linked?

Flomasta Plastic Push-Fit Equal 90° Stem Elbow 22mm - Screwfix

FloPlast FloFit+ Plastic Push-Fit Equal 90° Stem Elbow 22mm - Screwfix

I know they don't say 'spigot', but are they actually different somehow to the one you linked? (I only ask because then I could get everything I need from Screwfix rather than awaiting delivery from snh - though tbh it's not a deal-breaker, we're in no rush).

My apologies - I hadn't seen you link to spigot elbows. 

Yes, these two are effectively the same and equally ideal. Fill yer boots.

I'm assuming you are holding the manifold the wrong way around in your pic? But, it shouldn't matter - the shown RH connector - presumably about to be LH? - places a lot of angle pressure on the hose, and this will even be worse if the manifold is rotated. 

NB - see the screw-on collar of that fitting? It appears to have a wedge-shaped gap?It looks cross-threaded, so that really needs sorting. So deffo an elbow on there would be great - remove that tight turn. That's another good reason why an tight-angled flexi approach isn't good. 

The LH flexi connection is less of an issue, and will presumably be even less so once the manifold is rotated, so I wouldn't bother with an elbow on there, unless it's needed for other reasons. 

Brimble

No, that is the correct orientation. I know it seems odd, I thought that too, but that's the only way it can go on. Obviously then the two holes facing us in the picture fit onto the back of the WS.

That angle you've highlighted in yellow is not actually a thread at all, it's not screw-on - the plastic male pushes into the push-fit fitting on the manifold, and that connection has some 'give' in it, presumably for situations like mine. The two plastic fittings on the manifold are both like that, they can fairly comfortably move maybe 10 or so degrees in any direction. But even so, the elbow, on that side at least, would surely help alleviate some of that tension, which can only be a good thing.

Eldi_Dos

Brimble said:

Btw, I'm aware that it would be pretty much impossible to get the hoses through the holes with the WS connected to the mainfold (and therefore 'in the way'), so my plan (if we keep these short hoses with no kind of extension) is to tie some string to the end of each hose, push the string through the holes beforehand, then I should hopefully be able to pull the hoses through to the sink side. That's the plan anyway...

A length of blue rope would be more secure.

If you hold the blue rope  between finger and thumb of both hands and turn  hands in opposite direction, the rope will belly out. You can then slip this over the hoses  a couple of times and pull tight and secure with a bit of insulation tape.

Works like those finger stockings you can get in joke shops.

bjorn_toby_wilde

Brimble said:

No, that is the correct orientation. I know it seems odd, I thought that too, but that's the only way it can go on. Obviously then the two holes facing us in the picture fit onto the back of the WS.

That angle you've highlighted in yellow is not actually a thread at all, it's not screw-on - the plastic male pushes into the push-fit fitting on the manifold, and that connection has some 'give' in it, presumably for situations like mine. The two plastic fittings on the manifold are both like that, they can fairly comfortably move maybe 10 or so degrees in any direction. But even so, the elbow, on that side at least, would surely help alleviate some of that tension, which can only be a good thing.

The manifold end of the connector looks like the locking type to me.  If that’s the case then you push the black 22mm male end of the hose in as far as it will go then turn the knurled white collar clockwise to lock it in place.

If you watch this video from about 30 seconds in you’ll see what I mean. It shows JG Speedfit used with plastic pipe, but the method is the same. Push in the pipe and twist the collar to lock it securely.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oA985Es9Inw

WIAWSNB

bjorn_toby_wilde said:

The manifold end of the connector looks like the locking type to me.  If that’s the case then you push the black 22mm male end of the hose in as far as it will go then turn the knurled white collar clockwise to lock it in place.
If you watch this video from about 30 seconds in you’ll see what I mean. It shows JG Speedfit used with plastic pipe, but the method is the same. Push in the pipe and twist the collar to lock it securely.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oA985Es9Inw

Cool - that explains a lot. The amount of 'give' shown in Brindle's pic seems excessive to me. It might be ok, but it sure looks cagey. Hopefully 'locking' the fitting will tighten it up.

WIAWSNB

Brimble said:

No, that is the correct orientation. I know it seems odd, I thought that too, but that's the only way it can go on. Obviously then the two holes facing us in the picture fit onto the back of the WS.
That angle you've highlighted in yellow is not actually a thread at all, it's not screw-on - the plastic male pushes into the push-fit fitting on the manifold, and that connection has some 'give' in it, presumably for situations like mine. The two plastic fittings on the manifold are both like that, they can fairly comfortably move maybe 10 or so degrees in any direction. But even so, the elbow, on that side at least, would surely help alleviate some of that tension, which can only be a good thing.

Ah, ok, that's fine.

So, the WS, as shown in your previous pic, sits facing the back of the unit? That manifold will sit behind it? Oh no it won't. Oh yes it will...

Cough

That's ok, then - it looks as tho' only the further-to-the-right fittings needs that spigot elbow. It should help it a lot.

When you then presumably tighten up the fitting collar, it closes up the 'gap'?

In which case, jobbie jobbed

Happy New Soft Water.

bjorn_toby_wilde

WIAWSNB said:

bjorn_toby_wilde said:

The manifold end of the connector looks like the locking type to me.  If that’s the case then you push the black 22mm male end of the hose in as far as it will go then turn the knurled white collar clockwise to lock it in place.
If you watch this video from about 30 seconds in you’ll see what I mean. It shows JG Speedfit used with plastic pipe, but the method is the same. Push in the pipe and twist the collar to lock it securely.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oA985Es9Inw

Cool - that explains a lot. The amount of 'give' shown in Brindle's pic seems excessive to me. It might be ok, but it sure looks cagey. Hopefully 'locking' the fitting will tighten it up.

👍🏻 If it’s Speedfit then it’s very secure. I’ve used it inside kitchen cupboards before where it was all too tight and awkward to solder copper fittings.