Let's speculate on how PPM will work.

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born_again said:

photome said:

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Herzlos said:

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I imagine for most people it'll just be done as part of the MOT and the maximum fee will go up by a few quid.

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Obviously, the MOT will simply have to go up, but the MOT already takes the mileage and enters it, so they don't have to do a single thing extra at MOT to justify an increase, except not make any mistakes, which is easy enough for the owner to check on that little print out that you get.

Now charging a tenner to enter the mileage outside of an MOT would be reasonable, at 12 months & 24 months.

I am thinking £20 would be justifiable

For something that will take less than a couple of minutes 😶‍🌫️

Rip off UK in full swing 

All them people that got a PHEV  & never charge at home are going to be really hit paying the extra 1.5p & missing the benefit 🤣

Try engaging a tradesman, like a builder!

They won't get out of bed for less than £125 an hour/£1000 a day.

That really hurts when your discretionary income for a whole month is less than they want to do an hours work for you.....

Ectophile

jimjames said:

Niv said:

Its daft making people declare it as many will just lie. Milage is already recorded when you get an MOT so why not get the MOT centre to report it electronically the same why they must declare an MOT pass...
Could also double up as a perk of getting a new car as there is no MOT so no milage declaration (I am sure people wouldn't like that though).

MOT mileage isn't always correct and  currently no way to correct it if not immediately spotted if you don't have correct evidence.

How will it work if you sell a car part way through the year or prior to MOT, who gets the mileage allocated?

The government has floated the idea of mandatory photos on MOTs, to stop the "drive-by" MOTs that get handed out to back-street car dealers.

Goudy

The little flesh the government have put on this you will pre buy your mileage tax and for newer cars at year one and two a simple mileage check at the MOT centre would be needed at their cost (so our tax money).

After that it's pre buy and adjusted at MOT.

Soon enough though the government can just asked China's government for a breakdown of everyone's mileage!

forgotmyname

I can see what's coming, a new department costing £2Billion a year will rake in £1Billion a year and it will be a flop
so they need to raise prices substantially whilst also adding in all other vehicles including historic ones?

Will I be wrong?

Car_54

forgotmyname said:

I can see what's coming, a new department costing £2Billion a year will rake in £1Billion a year and it will be a flop
so they need to raise prices substantially whilst also adding in all other vehicles including historic ones?

Will I be wrong?

You may be right, but ...

I'm pleasantly surprised that they're going for a sensible low-tech solution. Some sort of roadside monitoring system would cost vastly more, arrive late, and wouldn't work.

Grey_Critic

I have said it before and repeat myself. There will be some sort of Black Box that will record mileage closely followed by it being built in on the production line. Might already be there.

There was resistance to the Tachograph at first but it quickly went away. I was involved in the marketing and fitting in the very early days so have first-hand experience. Strangely enough it was the operators who complained most. Drivers were very quick to ditch the log book when given the choice.

Car_54

Grey_Critic said:

I have said it before and repeat myself. There will be some sort of Black Box that will record mileage closely followed by it being built in on the production line. Might already be there.

Have you actually read the consultation document?

In the Executive Summary, it clearly states "...there is no need for trackers in cars".

and at para 4.5 "Alongside paying their VED each year, under eVED motorists will estimate their mileage for the year ahead, pay an upfront charge based on their estimate or spread their payment across the year, and then submit their actual mileage at the end of the year to trigger a reconciliation. Motorists will have their mileage checked annually,"

Although this is positioned as a "consultation", the government seem to have made their mind up - on this aspect at least.

Even if a tracker were to be proposed, I'd expect the motor industry strongly to resist any UK-specific built-in tech.