Let's speculate on how PPM will work.

Grey_Critic

***The latest is that I'm not on the waiting list, because they don't think we have enough mobile signal to support one. ***

My mate Jim had a similar problem - His walls were 3ft thick and it took a lot of visits by engineers to replace the meter before they decided that the signal could not get through - and a tidy sum in compensation

Herzlos

Car_54 said:

MOT stations are not going to do these checks for nothing, and  indeed may not want to do them at all unless suitably compensated. I can't see it costing the driver less than a "nominal" £10, or possibly £20.

I'd also be surprised if you didn't need to make an appointment to do it. 

MOT only stations probably aren't going to want the hassle so will charge £10+ for it, but I can see places like Kwik Fit or Halfords offering it for free with a purchase or similar. 

I imagine for most people it'll just be done as part of the MOT and the maximum fee will go up by a few quid.

I wonder what they'll do about card transaction fees though; will the MOT station have to eat the fee to take the mileage tax payment?

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Herzlos said:

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I imagine for most people it'll just be done as part of the MOT and the maximum fee will go up by a few quid.

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Obviously, the MOT will simply have to go up, but the MOT already takes the mileage and enters it, so they don't have to do a single thing extra at MOT to justify an increase, except not make any mistakes, which is easy enough for the owner to check on that little print out that you get.

Now charging a tenner to enter the mileage outside of an MOT would be reasonable, at 12 months & 24 months.

photome

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Herzlos said:

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I imagine for most people it'll just be done as part of the MOT and the maximum fee will go up by a few quid.

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Obviously, the MOT will simply have to go up, but the MOT already takes the mileage and enters it, so they don't have to do a single thing extra at MOT to justify an increase, except not make any mistakes, which is easy enough for the owner to check on that little print out that you get.

Now charging a tenner to enter the mileage outside of an MOT would be reasonable, at 12 months & 24 months.

I am thinking £20 would be justifiable

Typhoon2000

What if you do your miles on the continent or track/off road. How will MOT mileage checks cope with that. 

Also it is not a legal requirement to have a functioning odometer and non functioning odometer is not an MOT fail.

paul_c123

Typhoon2000 said:

What if you do your miles on the continent or track/off road. How will MOT mileage checks cope with that. 

Also it is not a legal requirement to have a functioning odometer and non functioning odometer is not an MOT fail.

You pay the UK tax on your car, irrespective of where it put on the mileage. And according to the Vienna Convention 1955, you can "temporarily import" your car to another country, so long as its legal in its home country, and you don't have to pay their taxes. And since its a reciprocal agreement, the foreign cars that come over pay their home countries taxes but not UK ones.

The two things should balance out and the net difference be small.

They will make a functioning odometer a legal (and probably MoT) requirement.

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Typhoon2000 said:

What if you do your miles on the continent or track/off road. How will MOT mileage checks cope with that. 

Also it is not a legal requirement to have a functioning odometer and non functioning odometer is not an MOT fail.

The consultation document specifically addresses that point, and claims that to protect your privacy  , they won't ask where the mileage is done, only charge for it.

4.23 As noted above, the government has ruled out charging tax based on when or where people drive, to protect motorists’ privacy. This means mileage driven overseas by UK registered cars will fall into scope of eVED, as with fuel duty, which does not vary on basis of where a car is driven. Since the proportion of UK registered cars driving abroad each year is a small proportion of total cars, it is proportionate to prioritise privacy and simplicity over a system of checks to deduct non-UK mileage. (The fuel duty is a red herring, you pay fuel duty at the rate applicable to the country in which you bought the fuel when you buy it, so foreign registered cars are subject to UK fuel duty, unless there is some way to claim it back on exit that I don't know of)

Non-UK registered vehicles won't pay it.

4.16 As with VED, eVED will apply to UK-registered cars. Non-UK vehicles in the UK for six months or more are required to register for VED and eVED.

(After 6 months you have to register your non-UK vehicle as an import anyway, so it effectively becomes a UK registered vehicle)

But tough if you Live in NI and do most of your mileage in ROI, you can just pay it anyway!

4.24 The government recognises that motorists based in Northern Ireland may be more likely than motorists based in Great Britain to drive outside of the UK. There is currently no equivalent mileage charge to eVED on electric or PHEV cars in the Republic of Ireland, however the government will continue to monitor the international tax landscape.

Goudy

Typhoon2000 said:

What if you do your miles on the continent or track/off road. How will MOT mileage checks cope with that. 

Also it is not a legal requirement to have a functioning odometer and non functioning odometer is not an MOT fail.

You would still pay fuel duty if you used your everyday vehicle off road unless it was say an agricultural vehicle that can use fuel at a reduced rate. (this fuel is usually chemically marked, like Red Diesel)

If this off road vehicle was Sorn'd, you could legally run it on this reduced rate of fuel as well at the moment.

So I presume the same conditions would apply for electric forms of agricultural vehicles, mowers and the likes. 
They would pay either no PPM or PPM at reduced rate and if your off road vehicle was Sorn'd, then I guess you could use it all your want off road without a PPM charge.

Bigphil1474

Couldn't they just ask you your current mileage reading, and expected mileage to be driven, when you pay for the VED, and compare that to when you renew your VED to give you a refund or extra cost. Of course people could lie, but all EV cars will be MOT'd at some point and the mileage would then be verified. No different to your leccy bill being estimated until they get an actual meter reading. And they can add a box to the Logbook saying mileage when sold, or even just do that via new keeper VED. I know it's the government, but I can't see it being a difficult job. 

boobyd

You can bet a new department will be set up with a massive budget,over inflated wages,no accountability and spend more in the pre implementation years than they raise to begin with.