PCN (52M Failing to Comply with a prohibition on certain types of vehicle (motor vehicles)

prowla

I would suggest thoroughly reading TSRGD 2015 to see if their signage and rules comply.

Is there any leeway in entering to turn around, etc.?

Goudy

Grumpy_chap said:

Aretnap said:

Grumpy_chap said:

Others have suggested the zone in the OP's case is / might be a "LTN - Low Traffic Neighbourhood".  How does one differentiate between a "LTN" and a "Schools Streets" zone?

Ultimately it will be the wording of the Traffic Regulation Order that determines whether the restriction applies merely to entering the zone, or driving anywhere in the zone during restricted hours, not whether the zone is branded as a LTN or a School Street. The TRO should be available somewhere on the council's website.

I'm going to stick my neck out and guess that it applies to any driving within the zone, as otherwise there wouldn't be much point setting up the cameras to photograph vehicles as they exit the zone. However the OP would certainly lose nothing by finding the TRO and checking.

Thanks, but how does a driver know when the are in one of these zones whether it is "LTN" (restricts any driving in the zone during operation hours) or "School Streets" zone (only prohibits entry during operation hours but permits exit) ?

The driver can't be expected to park up, find the TRO, read it in detail...
The driver has to be able to determine the rules quickly and simply by the signage.
I can't see the difference between the signage in the OP's photo (apparently an LTN) and the other link signage for School Streets.  Maybe I missed something.

Both School and LTN zones are generally monitored at both entrance and exit.
So the system will log your entrance time and exit time and be able to workout if you entered before the operation hours and exited after those hours or not.

If the system clocks you entering at 4am (outside of operation hours) and then clocks you leaving at 9am (within operation hours) then I presume you won't be fined for a School Zone or a LTN.

If on the other hand you enter at 8.30am and exit at 9.30am, then you get a fine as you have entered and exited within the operational hours.

And of course, if it clocks you just entering at 8.30am (within operational hours) but not exiting until after the operational times, you'll also get a fine.


As for other leeway's, like turning around.
The local press have been reporting lots of driver getting fines for doing this.
Turning into the Zone then realising they had made a mistake before turning around doesn't seem to stop a fine landing on your mat.
The system just sees you entering AND leaving within the operational times, therefore you have driven in the Zone within operational hours.
It doesn't take into account how much driving you have done in the zone.

Ron97

Appreciate the input from everyone. I think I'll probably just take the hit and pay the reduced fine while I still can. I was just confused as the video only catches me driving out but not in.

I remember the evening very clearly, saying to myself "oh that's fine, I'm outside of the restricted hours. Oh well, check the time twice next time. 🤣

Bigphil1474

Does the original phot not have a time stamp on it?

Ron97

Bigphil1474 said:

Does the original phot not have a time stamp on it?

It does, bang on 6pm. Well, 16 seconds past ti be precise.

Grumpy_chap

Ron97 said:

Bigphil1474 said:

Does the original phot not have a time stamp on it?

It does, bang on 6pm. Well, 16 seconds past ti be precise.

Clutching at straws, but what date was the event captured?
Was the time-stamp BST or GMT?
Is there any possibility that the clock-change saves you?  (GMT time stamp but in BST still?)

Ron97

Grumpy_chap said:

Ron97 said:

Bigphil1474 said:

Does the original phot not have a time stamp on it?

It does, bang on 6pm. Well, 16 seconds past ti be precise.

Clutching at straws, but what date was the event captured?
Was the time-stamp BST or GMT?
Is there any possibility that the clock-change saves you?  (GMT time stamp but in BST still?)

It happened on the 14th of Novemeber.
It doesn't actually say if it was BST or GMT. But as the clocks went back and not forward that doesn't really matter anyway.