'WASPI' women latest: Government to review decision to refuse compensation

Pollycat

Dear Lord!
Not again!

FTR:

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To close one thread discussing this and then to start another official one beggars belief.
The suggestion to simply have a thread detailing the latest position but closed to discussion is the most sensible one.

This thread will simply descend into the same mess as all WASPI threads have over the years this has been discussed.

It's all been said before. Ad nauseum.

There really is nothing to see here.

Spendless

Pollycat said:

Dear Lord!
Not again!

FTR:

We’d like to remind Forumites to please avoid political debate on the Forum.

This is to keep it a safe and useful space for MoneySaving discussions. Threads that are – or become – political in nature may be removed in line with the Forum’s rules. Thank you for your understanding.

To close one thread discussing this and then to start another official one beggars belief.
The suggestion to simply have a thread detailing the latest position but closed to discussion is the most sensible one.

This thread will simply descend into the same mess as all WASPI threads have over the years this has been discussed.

It's all been said before. Ad nauseum.

There really is nothing to see here.

I've never contributed or read one before. I was simply scrolling past this morning and decided to post what I'd always thought. However if there's been previous issues then to put a post up and close it to discussion would be the most sensible solution, that one's  on MSE staff who haven't done this.    

Pollycat

Spendless said:

Pollycat said:

Dear Lord!
Not again!

FTR:

We’d like to remind Forumites to please avoid political debate on the Forum.

This is to keep it a safe and useful space for MoneySaving discussions. Threads that are – or become – political in nature may be removed in line with the Forum’s rules. Thank you for your understanding.

To close one thread discussing this and then to start another official one beggars belief.
The suggestion to simply have a thread detailing the latest position but closed to discussion is the most sensible one.

This thread will simply descend into the same mess as all WASPI threads have over the years this has been discussed.

It's all been said before. Ad nauseum.

There really is nothing to see here.

I've never contributed or read one before. I was simply scrolling past this morning and decided to post what I'd always thought. However if there's been previous issues then to put a post up and close it to discussion would be the most sensible solution, that one's  on MSE staff who haven't done this.    

It's been going on for nigh on 10 years.

A very divisive subject.

german_keeper

Grumpy_chap said:

I am confused as to how these women who, apparently, did not know about the change to the SP age because they did not receive a letter ever knew that there was a SP in the first place and the original SP age that they were not told was changing.  Did these people receive a letter ever to tell them that there was a SP and the SP age?  I am certain that I never received such a letter.  In the absence of such a letter, it must have come as a wonderful surprise to these women that they suddenly received a SP which they had not been told about in a letter.

Whilst my gut reaction to seeing yet another thread on this topic was akin to the post above by Pollycat, I must admit I think this is quite an interesting point and not one I can recall reading previously. Delivered a tad tongue in cheek I suspect but I would be interested to know if this has ever been asked of the people running this campaign.

Pollycat

german_keeper said:

Grumpy_chap said:

I am confused as to how these women who, apparently, did not know about the change to the SP age because they did not receive a letter ever knew that there was a SP in the first place and the original SP age that they were not told was changing.  Did these people receive a letter ever to tell them that there was a SP and the SP age?  I am certain that I never received such a letter.  In the absence of such a letter, it must have come as a wonderful surprise to these women that they suddenly received a SP which they had not been told about in a letter.

Whilst my gut reaction to seeing yet another thread on this topic was akin to the post above by Pollycat, I must admit I think this is quite an interesting point and not one I can recall reading previously. Delivered a tad tongue in cheek I suspect but I would be interested to know if this has ever been asked of the people running this campaign.

It's all been discussed before.

Spendless

Pollycat said:

Spendless said:

Pollycat said:

Dear Lord!
Not again!

FTR:

We’d like to remind Forumites to please avoid political debate on the Forum.

This is to keep it a safe and useful space for MoneySaving discussions. Threads that are – or become – political in nature may be removed in line with the Forum’s rules. Thank you for your understanding.

To close one thread discussing this and then to start another official one beggars belief.
The suggestion to simply have a thread detailing the latest position but closed to discussion is the most sensible one.

This thread will simply descend into the same mess as all WASPI threads have over the years this has been discussed.

It's all been said before. Ad nauseum.

There really is nothing to see here.

I've never contributed or read one before. I was simply scrolling past this morning and decided to post what I'd always thought. However if there's been previous issues then to put a post up and close it to discussion would be the most sensible solution, that one's  on MSE staff who haven't done this.    

It's been going on for nigh on 10 years.

A very divisive subject.

Pollycat said:

Spendless said:

Pollycat said:

Dear Lord!
Not again!

FTR:

We’d like to remind Forumites to please avoid political debate on the Forum.

This is to keep it a safe and useful space for MoneySaving discussions. Threads that are – or become – political in nature may be removed in line with the Forum’s rules. Thank you for your understanding.

To close one thread discussing this and then to start another official one beggars belief.
The suggestion to simply have a thread detailing the latest position but closed to discussion is the most sensible one.

This thread will simply descend into the same mess as all WASPI threads have over the years this has been discussed.

It's all been said before. Ad nauseum.

There really is nothing to see here.

I've never contributed or read one before. I was simply scrolling past this morning and decided to post what I'd always thought. However if there's been previous issues then to put a post up and close it to discussion would be the most sensible solution, that one's  on MSE staff who haven't done this.    

It's been going on for nigh on 10 years.

A very divisive subject.

Yes and I've been here more than double that but I've never looked for a thread along those lines because as said I'm not a Waspi woman. I've stuck to watching news items about it.  

BrilliantButScary

Spendless said:

SnowMan said:

Brie said:

I've heard that supposedly the government wrote to everyone about the situation years and years in advance and yet many women never received anything.  Not sure what else you would like after hearing that the standard argument was that they didn't know.  I think that's an honest enough admission.

I remember my mum telling me it was big national news in 1995 (?) when the original announcement was made and everyone was aware of it in the small technical college where she worked. Perhaps that was unusual but almost certainly not. A lot of the WASPE women were informed in writing of the change, although not necessarily by the DWP, but somehow forgot about it later. For example in the original high court judgement the first defendant actually admitted (para 78) she had been informed about her SPA being 65 in 2006.  

With engaging honesty, the first Claimant has produced two letters she received from her occupational pension provider, dated 4 August 2006 and 28 April 2011. In each case the letters advise her: “The DWP has assumed that your State Retirement pension will be payable when you reach the age of 65 Years. If you have any queries you should contact the DWP on 0845 3000 168. A leaflet is available giving more information about your State Pension statement at www.thepensionservice.gov.uk/pdf/cpf/cpf5jun05.pdf.

Incidentally the original judgement gives a good account of the significant publicity of the change that happened. 

I think thats it. Her occupational pensioner provider told her. Not everyone had one.

Im younger than a Waspi woman, but heard the news on the radio summer 1995. I recall it cos my first thought was 'Ive been working full time for the  past 11 years thinking my SPA would be 60 and now Im going to be 5 years older, wouldnt it be fairer to just apply this to this years school leavers and onwards'

Since then my SPA has changed to 66 and now 67. Guess what - no one has directly  informed me of these changes either. I know cos I check it. Ok in a digital age its easier to look up info - but surely the onus is on the individual to keep up with any changes? 

My circumstances are similar to yours. I am not a Waspi woman either, but I am older than you. The change in state pension age has thrown up challenges (was 60, now 67) likewise the changes to NRA in pension schemes (3 at 60, 1 at 64, 1 at 65 and 1 at 67) and in my case an age gap relationship. We both retired at 60, but not together, and bridged/are bridging  the gap from 60 to state pension ages.  I agree, no one directly informed me of the changes, but like you feel it is my responsibility to keep up with the changes.

MeteredOut

Pollycat said:

german_keeper said:

Grumpy_chap said:

I am confused as to how these women who, apparently, did not know about the change to the SP age because they did not receive a letter ever knew that there was a SP in the first place and the original SP age that they were not told was changing.  Did these people receive a letter ever to tell them that there was a SP and the SP age?  I am certain that I never received such a letter.  In the absence of such a letter, it must have come as a wonderful surprise to these women that they suddenly received a SP which they had not been told about in a letter.

Whilst my gut reaction to seeing yet another thread on this topic was akin to the post above by Pollycat, I must admit I think this is quite an interesting point and not one I can recall reading previously. Delivered a tad tongue in cheek I suspect but I would be interested to know if this has ever been asked of the people running this campaign.

It's all been discussed before.

But this is not just a WASPI thread, this is an M&S MSE WASPI thread.

westv

Funnily enough, I got a letter the other week from DWP informing me my SPA would be 67.

sammyjammy

I think the funniest thing is that they actually want the decision reversed so that women still retire at 60.  Get real!