Minster Baywatch - Lancaster

lancred

Hi all, hoping for some further advice.

Keeper received NTK from PPC Minster Baywatch. There is a ticket albeit the reg has been keyed incorrectly. Parking timeframe was kept within the period and vehicle exited car park with over one hour remaining before ticket time end.

PPC NTK states that the specific offence has nothing to do with incorrect keyed in reg and pointed to incorrect parking fee not being paid in full.

Appealed as keeper and included ticket. PPC have rejected appeal basically re-reviewing and then identifying a mis-keyed reg.

I have a POPLA code and was going to appeal on signage which is covered by foliage at the entrance and 'bleached' out signs. Also the landowner (Hay Carr Estates Ltd) seems to be different from Minster Baywatch as per last image where the ticket machine is.

Am I going down the correct route here? 

Gr1pr

How bad was the keying error   ?  One character or two , or more  ?

Were the signs all Minster Baywatch or Bransby Wilson,  or a mixture of both   ?

Hay Carr are the landlord or landowner,  but Minster Baywatch are the sub contractor monitoring the use of the private car park

Coupon-mad

lancred said:

Hi all, hoping for some further advice.

That's great photo evidence.

The contract is offered by Hay Carr Estates on that blue sign that lists the tariffs.

No contract is offered by MB. The mustard coloured sign is unreadable and the entrance sign covered up by foliage.

Add the metadata to your photos or POPLA might not accept them.

lancred

Gr1pr said:

How bad was the keying error   ?  One character or two , or more  ?

Were the signs all Minster Baywatch or Bransby Wilson,  or a mixture of both   ?

Hay Carr are the landlord or landowner,  but Minster Baywatch are the sub contractor monitoring the use of the private car park

Missing the first four digits. The signs i've just grabbed from google maps as im not in the area, but think they are somewhat out of date. 

lancred

Coupon-mad said:

lancred said:

Hi all, hoping for some further advice.

That's great photo evidence.

The contract is offered by Hay Carr Estates on that blue sign that lists the tariffs.

No contract is offered by MB. The mustard coloured sign is unreadable and the entrance sign covered up by foliage.

Add the metadata to your photos or POPLA might not accept them.

Thanks for reply. The photos have been grabbed via google maps so may be somewhat out of date. im no longer in the area, still worth submitting?

Gr1pr

lancred said:

Gr1pr said:

How bad was the keying error   ?  One character or two , or more  ?

Were the signs all Minster Baywatch or Bransby Wilson,  or a mixture of both   ?

Hay Carr are the landlord or landowner,  but Minster Baywatch are the sub contractor monitoring the use of the private car park

Missing the first four digits.

 The signs i've just grabbed from google maps as im not in the area, but think they are somewhat out of date. 

I doubt that the driver missed out 4 CHARACTERS ( letters and digits  )  and then keyed in the last 3 characters correctly , more likely to be a machine failure,  like others we see including ECP machines 

A typical registration is AB12DEF, so why would anyone key in DEF when there are numerous other vehicles with DEF,  ?  Like JK34DEF etc

Minster Baywatch are offering you the £20 keying error option in the BPA Code of Practice,  they didn't cancel as a goodwill gesture due to full payment 

Frankly,  I wouldn't rely on old signage on GSV to try to prove your case, but poor and inadequate signage plus no landowner authority are always used in any popla appeal  ( their evidence pack will contain pictures and documents etc  )

You can state that the correct and full VRM details were used, that full payment for the duration of the time on site was made on the day and the operator suffered no loss, so you believe that the machine was faulty,  a widely known issue with machines,  so no breach occurred and the pcn should be cancelled 

I am assuming that the driver used the machine itself   ?  Not an app etc  ?

I do not believe that they would win in court,  more likely that they would discontinue beforehand 

Coupon-mad

lancred said:

Coupon-mad said:

lancred said:

Hi all, hoping for some further advice.

That's great photo evidence.

The contract is offered by Hay Carr Estates on that blue sign that lists the tariffs.

No contract is offered by MB. The mustard coloured sign is unreadable and the entrance sign covered up by foliage.

Add the metadata to your photos or POPLA might not accept them.

Thanks for reply. The photos have been grabbed via google maps so may be somewhat out of date. im no longer in the area, still worth submitting?

Yep. Insist the operator proves otherwise! Go to town on how unreadable the signs are & that the offer is not made by this operator.