UKCPS - 7 fines for the building I live in because the landlord never gave me a permit

Car1980

greycats2025 said:

Car1980 said:

Is there anything else I can do in the meantime? I would rather not just wait around and hope that proceedings aren't issued against me but I do understand that other than paying, this may be my only option!

Yes, get hold of the lease like I said 😉

If they have no rights, they can be kicked
off site. 

I actually really doubt that the landlord would provide it to me

That's why I said another owner-occupier.

greycats2025

Hello, I just thought I would post an update that I have spoken with the building management who have asked that I confirm my position in writing to them and attach the relevant documents etc - but they have advised me that they will either cancel the fines or transfer them into my landlord's name. Hopefully this will get me out of the woods!

Car1980

They can't transfer them into the landlord's name because no contract exists between him and the parking company. If they try to put it on his service charge he'd be rightfully pi55ed.

See what I mean about the management company being in cahoots and getting kickbacks? 

The lease is the most relevant document. I wouldn't do anything until I knew what my position was yet personally.

Other people will have been stung too. You might have to print out some leaflets and stick them through every door asking if any owner occupiers have a copy of their lease you could look at.

greycats2025

Car1980 said:

They can't transfer them into the landlord's name because no contract exists between him and the parking company. If they try to put it on his service charge he'd be rightfully pi55ed.

See what I mean about the management company being in cahoots and getting kickbacks? 

The lease is the most relevant document. I wouldn't do anything until I knew what my position was yet personally.

Other people will have been stung too. You might have to print out some leaflets and stick them through every door asking if any owner occupiers have a copy of their lease you could look at.

I did think it was unlikely they would actually be able to transfer them into the landlord's name. 

Even if I wear to obtain a copy of the lease I do not understand what I am then to do with it?

prowla

greycats2025 said:

Car1980 said:

They can't transfer them into the landlord's name because no contract exists between him and the parking company. If they try to put it on his service charge he'd be rightfully pi55ed.

See what I mean about the management company being in cahoots and getting kickbacks? 

The lease is the most relevant document. I wouldn't do anything until I knew what my position was yet personally.

Other people will have been stung too. You might have to print out some leaflets and stick them through every door asking if any owner occupiers have a copy of their lease you could look at.

I did think it was unlikely they would actually be able to transfer them into the landlord's name. 

Even if I wear to obtain a copy of the lease I do not understand what I am then to do with it?

The gist is if the lease doesn't cover the car park operators activities and the appropriate steps weren't taken to bring them in, then they are invaild.

1505grandad

As above.

Even the latest unregulated CoP (soon to be replaced by a proper regulated PPCoP by the Government) recognise/acknowledge  this scam:-

https://www.britishparking.co.uk/write/Documents/AOS/NEW Redesigned Documents/sectorsingleCodeofPractice.pdf

THE SINGLE CODE OF PRACTICE

14

Relationship with landowner 

"NOTE 3: Particular care is needed to establish appropriate contractual terms, including the application of parking terms and conditions, in respect of controlled land where leaseholders may have rights that cannot be qualified or overruled e.g. by imposing a requirement on the resident of an apartment block to display a permit to park in contravention of their rights under their lease, or to ensure that free parking periods do not breach planning consents."

Umkomaas

1505grandad said:

As above.

Even the latest unregulated CoP (soon to be replaced by a proper regulated PPCoP by the Government) recognise/acknowledge  this scam:-

https://www.britishparking.co.uk/write/Documents/AOS/NEW Redesigned Documents/sectorsingleCodeofPractice.pdf

THE SINGLE CODE OF PRACTICE

14

Relationship with landowner 

"NOTE 3: Particular care is needed to establish appropriate contractual terms, including the application of parking terms and conditions, in respect of controlled land where leaseholders may have rights that cannot be qualified or overruled e.g. by imposing a requirement on the resident of an apartment block to display a permit to park in contravention of their rights under their lease, or to ensure that free parking periods do not breach planning consents."

I guess that any PPC capable of understanding that will consider it too inconvenient to take any notice. For the majority, it will be double Dutch!

James_Poisson

greycats2025 said:

Hello, I just thought I would post an update that I have spoken with the building management who have asked that I confirm my position in writing to them and attach the relevant documents etc - but they have advised me that they will either cancel the fines or transfer them into my landlord's name. Hopefully this will get me out of the woods!

That is quite ridiculous and just shows that the "building management" have absolutely no idea what so ever what they have signed up to.

These are speculative invoices not fines, and the landlord has absolutely no more obligation to pay them than he would to pay for a service on your car if the invoice was sent to him.