BMW emissions class action

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Nasqueron said:

dont_use_vistaprint said:

Mildly_Miffed said:

dont_use_vistaprint said:

sheenas said:

They are basically us style scams that can go on for years. Legal firms typically canvass people to join their claim tempting them with the promise of large payouts. The legal firms make money and you might get some of it. It’s often worth the target companies paying out to make the claim go away. In the case of Mastercard they settled for 200m. Claimants could get £70 even if they didn’t have a Mastercard, yes go figure that one. 

Well they’re not really scams are they if a court decides there’s compensation  or a company settles out of court then that is legally binding.

And it’s not like it’s not already happened before is it? Volkswagen have already settled. There’s plenty of information about it on this website but my query was specifically about the BMW of which there doesn’t seem to be any information on this website

And it's precisely that "settles out of court" that the ambulance-chasers are hoping for...

Remember, the VW claim all centred around findings of illegality in the US, with US emissions testing rules and US thresholds which, for NOx, were FAR stricter than European.

Nobody - not even VW - has been proven to have broken European law over emissions. BMW certainly haven't. There are similar claims going on for just about every major manufacturer - which, in itself, should tell you all you need to know.

I know what you’re saying, but this is the system we have ….if people feel strongly enough to invest and bring a case and the port decides to settle out of court and that is an admission of guilt you know they could always let it go to court couldn’t they? 

Personally I’m happy to live in a society where these companies are held to account - and if the ambulance chases make a bit of money in the process then that doesn’t concern me, it’s far better than the alternative, and in the case of VW it’s blatantly obvious to everyone maybe except you they broke the laws, lied, cheated customers and they paid the price for it, if others have done the same or similar then we have the right to our money back


assuming from most responses that no one here bought an affected BMW? I understand your bias, if anyone here did own an affected BMW, I would be interested in your view….

VW used a cheat device for the US market, nobody in the UK was mis-sold as nobody in the UK buys a car for low NOx emissions, car tax is based on CO2 and cars are sold on MPG, you have to hunt to find any NOx figures on car sales. VW were stuck because of grifters demanding compensation for nothing - the cars quickly regained value and nobody in the UK was misled.

There is zero evidence of BMW using any such cheat devices, nor any other manufacturer.

What money back are you expecting - how specifically have you lost out? Would you be willing to pay the manufacturer's costs for dealing with this false lawsuit?

VW paid £193 million to uk customers after admitting installing cheat devices WORLDWIDE in its vehicles.

Are you a legal expert ? You don’t seem to know much about it yet claim there’s zero evidence 

it doesn’t matter if I’ve ‘lost out’ as you see it , if they lied and mis sold I’ll take the money

no one buys cars in the uk on emissions ? Have you asked them all ? I don’t care much about the colour of a car but if they painted it the wrong colour I’d still expect them the fix it or compensate me. 

Just because emissions are not important to you that doesn’t give manufacturers get out of jail free Card if they lie about emissions 

 

Car_54

dont_use_vistaprint said:

Nasqueron said:

dont_use_vistaprint said:

Mildly_Miffed said:

dont_use_vistaprint said:

sheenas said:

They are basically us style scams that can go on for years. Legal firms typically canvass people to join their claim tempting them with the promise of large payouts. The legal firms make money and you might get some of it. It’s often worth the target companies paying out to make the claim go away. In the case of Mastercard they settled for 200m. Claimants could get £70 even if they didn’t have a Mastercard, yes go figure that one. 

Well they’re not really scams are they if a court decides there’s compensation  or a company settles out of court then that is legally binding.

And it’s not like it’s not already happened before is it? Volkswagen have already settled. There’s plenty of information about it on this website but my query was specifically about the BMW of which there doesn’t seem to be any information on this website

And it's precisely that "settles out of court" that the ambulance-chasers are hoping for...

Remember, the VW claim all centred around findings of illegality in the US, with US emissions testing rules and US thresholds which, for NOx, were FAR stricter than European.

Nobody - not even VW - has been proven to have broken European law over emissions. BMW certainly haven't. There are similar claims going on for just about every major manufacturer - which, in itself, should tell you all you need to know.

I know what you’re saying, but this is the system we have ….if people feel strongly enough to invest and bring a case and the port decides to settle out of court and that is an admission of guilt you know they could always let it go to court couldn’t they? 

Personally I’m happy to live in a society where these companies are held to account - and if the ambulance chases make a bit of money in the process then that doesn’t concern me, it’s far better than the alternative, and in the case of VW it’s blatantly obvious to everyone maybe except you they broke the laws, lied, cheated customers and they paid the price for it, if others have done the same or similar then we have the right to our money back


assuming from most responses that no one here bought an affected BMW? I understand your bias, if anyone here did own an affected BMW, I would be interested in your view….

VW used a cheat device for the US market, nobody in the UK was mis-sold as nobody in the UK buys a car for low NOx emissions, car tax is based on CO2 and cars are sold on MPG, you have to hunt to find any NOx figures on car sales. VW were stuck because of grifters demanding compensation for nothing - the cars quickly regained value and nobody in the UK was misled.

There is zero evidence of BMW using any such cheat devices, nor any other manufacturer.

What money back are you expecting - how specifically have you lost out? Would you be willing to pay the manufacturer's costs for dealing with this false lawsuit?

VW paid £193 million to uk customers after admitting installing cheat devices WORLDWIDE in its vehicles.

 

According to the BBC, 'VW said it had made no admission of liability but that the legal costs of a six-month trial in England meant a settlement "was the most prudent course of action commercially"'.

Mildly_Miffed

dont_use_vistaprint said:

no one buys cars in the uk on emissions ?

Have you ever bothered to research the official NOx figure for any car you've ever bought?
Have you ever seen it quoted in a single car advert?

We're not talking about CO2. The emissions "scandal" isn't about CO2. It's about NOx. In the US.

VW were caught cheating on the US NOx figures, at a time when the US did not differentiate between petrol and diesel NOx, and thus the US diesel NOx cap was a tiny fraction (IIRC about a third) of the European NOx cap. The US testing procedure and rules were different to the European tests, too.
The cars were WELL within the applicable European NOx cap.

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Car_54 said:

dont_use_vistaprint said:

Nasqueron said:

dont_use_vistaprint said:

Mildly_Miffed said:

dont_use_vistaprint said:

sheenas said:

They are basically us style scams that can go on for years. Legal firms typically canvass people to join their claim tempting them with the promise of large payouts. The legal firms make money and you might get some of it. It’s often worth the target companies paying out to make the claim go away. In the case of Mastercard they settled for 200m. Claimants could get £70 even if they didn’t have a Mastercard, yes go figure that one. 

Well they’re not really scams are they if a court decides there’s compensation  or a company settles out of court then that is legally binding.

And it’s not like it’s not already happened before is it? Volkswagen have already settled. There’s plenty of information about it on this website but my query was specifically about the BMW of which there doesn’t seem to be any information on this website

And it's precisely that "settles out of court" that the ambulance-chasers are hoping for...

Remember, the VW claim all centred around findings of illegality in the US, with US emissions testing rules and US thresholds which, for NOx, were FAR stricter than European.

Nobody - not even VW - has been proven to have broken European law over emissions. BMW certainly haven't. There are similar claims going on for just about every major manufacturer - which, in itself, should tell you all you need to know.

I know what you’re saying, but this is the system we have ….if people feel strongly enough to invest and bring a case and the port decides to settle out of court and that is an admission of guilt you know they could always let it go to court couldn’t they? 

Personally I’m happy to live in a society where these companies are held to account - and if the ambulance chases make a bit of money in the process then that doesn’t concern me, it’s far better than the alternative, and in the case of VW it’s blatantly obvious to everyone maybe except you they broke the laws, lied, cheated customers and they paid the price for it, if others have done the same or similar then we have the right to our money back


assuming from most responses that no one here bought an affected BMW? I understand your bias, if anyone here did own an affected BMW, I would be interested in your view….

VW used a cheat device for the US market, nobody in the UK was mis-sold as nobody in the UK buys a car for low NOx emissions, car tax is based on CO2 and cars are sold on MPG, you have to hunt to find any NOx figures on car sales. VW were stuck because of grifters demanding compensation for nothing - the cars quickly regained value and nobody in the UK was misled.

There is zero evidence of BMW using any such cheat devices, nor any other manufacturer.

What money back are you expecting - how specifically have you lost out? Would you be willing to pay the manufacturer's costs for dealing with this false lawsuit?

VW paid £193 million to uk customers after admitting installing cheat devices WORLDWIDE in its vehicles.

 

According to the BBC, 'VW said it had made no admission of liability but that the legal costs of a six-month trial in England meant a settlement "was the most prudent course of action commercially"'.

The Guardian newspaper disagrees with the BBC on this & quotes VW  ‘we are talking here not about a one-off mistake but a whole chain of errors,”

And  goes onto to say…

VW has already admitted installing defeat devices in 11m vehicles worldwide to cheat diesel emissions tests.

so you can choose to believe the BBC or you can choose to believe the guardian the fact remains they paid out £198 million to make it go away.

I’m thankful we live in a country where ambulance chasers hold these companies to account and anyone - even those  who continue to defend them are  also entitled to their money back!

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Car_54 said:

dont_use_vistaprint said:

Nasqueron said:

dont_use_vistaprint said:

Mildly_Miffed said:

dont_use_vistaprint said:

sheenas said:

They are basically us style scams that can go on for years. Legal firms typically canvass people to join their claim tempting them with the promise of large payouts. The legal firms make money and you might get some of it. It’s often worth the target companies paying out to make the claim go away. In the case of Mastercard they settled for 200m. Claimants could get £70 even if they didn’t have a Mastercard, yes go figure that one. 

Well they’re not really scams are they if a court decides there’s compensation  or a company settles out of court then that is legally binding.

And it’s not like it’s not already happened before is it? Volkswagen have already settled. There’s plenty of information about it on this website but my query was specifically about the BMW of which there doesn’t seem to be any information on this website

And it's precisely that "settles out of court" that the ambulance-chasers are hoping for...

Remember, the VW claim all centred around findings of illegality in the US, with US emissions testing rules and US thresholds which, for NOx, were FAR stricter than European.

Nobody - not even VW - has been proven to have broken European law over emissions. BMW certainly haven't. There are similar claims going on for just about every major manufacturer - which, in itself, should tell you all you need to know.

I know what you’re saying, but this is the system we have ….if people feel strongly enough to invest and bring a case and the port decides to settle out of court and that is an admission of guilt you know they could always let it go to court couldn’t they? 

Personally I’m happy to live in a society where these companies are held to account - and if the ambulance chases make a bit of money in the process then that doesn’t concern me, it’s far better than the alternative, and in the case of VW it’s blatantly obvious to everyone maybe except you they broke the laws, lied, cheated customers and they paid the price for it, if others have done the same or similar then we have the right to our money back


assuming from most responses that no one here bought an affected BMW? I understand your bias, if anyone here did own an affected BMW, I would be interested in your view….

VW used a cheat device for the US market, nobody in the UK was mis-sold as nobody in the UK buys a car for low NOx emissions, car tax is based on CO2 and cars are sold on MPG, you have to hunt to find any NOx figures on car sales. VW were stuck because of grifters demanding compensation for nothing - the cars quickly regained value and nobody in the UK was misled.

There is zero evidence of BMW using any such cheat devices, nor any other manufacturer.

What money back are you expecting - how specifically have you lost out? Would you be willing to pay the manufacturer's costs for dealing with this false lawsuit?

VW paid £193 million to uk customers after admitting installing cheat devices WORLDWIDE in its vehicles.

 

According to the BBC, 'VW said it had made no admission of liability but that the legal costs of a six-month trial in England meant a settlement "was the most prudent course of action commercially"'.

They can say whatever they want when they’re settling out of court, can’t they? They could say it was all made up we never did anything wrong

Arunmor

 I don’t care much about the colour of a car but if they painted it the wrong colour I’d still expect them the fix it or compensate me. 

 

They could just refund your money.