Northern power refusing to move stay wire

mmmmikey

pQrizB said:

mmmmikey said:

You could accept the cash offer, dig up what looks like pampas grass in the middle of the lawn and replant it or plant something else at the point where the stay goes into the ground.

I was wondering about a bit of trellis and a climbing rose or similar.

Good idea - @cgee987 if you happen to live not too far from Lincoln I have a spare decorative trellis panel propped up behind my shed that you are welcome to have for nothing - you'd just need a couple of posts to support it....

cgee987

Scot_39 said:

cgee987 said:

Scot_39 said:

The stay wires exist for stabilty, and to support the pole against opposing forces acting on the pole that often act predominately in certain directions, depending say on cable routes.

The fact the pole is in a neighbours garden, but the now 2 from your later post stay wires in yours suggests the clear presence of an offset load on the pole.

So, and I am not saying this is your situation, say at a turn in the cable direction, they will be on opposite side - the outside of the turn, as the cable loading on the pole will be imbalanced, and often only 1 or 2 stay wire required. 

They are fundamental mechanical parts of the installation.

They depending on those loads cannot simply be moved to the other side of a pole - their directional.  They - as they are wires - act only in tension, to prevent the pole being pulled in the opposing direction.

There are things called stay guards that can be fitted, generally for visibility rather than physical protection per se, but they probably would be less harmful if a toddler, child made accidental contact. So in one trade vendors case their bright yellow,  hollow plastic with offseting "screws" in some piccies for others, maybe so cables stay aired and guards dont rattle in the wind  - but id leave it upto the utility company to fit them, if they will.  Its their pole, their stay wire. 
Might make the wire a tad more noticeable in the garden to you and others say at sale time though. 

Can part of the garden not be fenced off by a low wooden fence or shrub line in some way to protect the child ?

The fact stays now on your land without a current  leeway you could try a legal challange, but if they can persuade a court even just likely the council approved ....

i have attached a photo, to view, if we were to fence around it would block off quite a large part of the garden as it is in the centre of the garden. 

It wouldn’t be as much of an issue if it was at the side of the garden but this is just in the way really

Would you have to block off that much more than the long grass area to prevent harm to a child.  Even a 6 foot adult could be protected by something to rhs of line of store / garage type door as already above roof height.

I think the way I have take the image makes it seem higher up. I am 5ft7 and it hits the top of my thigh 

cgee987

Robin9 said:

@Phones     Not sure - I've tried blowing the photo up . 

There is a horizontal pair going to the right under tension and I guess this is the supply side.

There is a sloppy pair coming towards the camera and I presume these are the supply to the property concerned (may also feed a neighbour or two)

There is also a sloppy pair going to the left and I guess these supply neighbouring properties.

The two steel stays appear to be in tension but I can't see why. -  perhaps there was once a 4 wire supply from the left which has now been dismantled.

The pole is very, very old  - it has a finial on top and I've built a pole with one.

If all the above is correct that would mean that the stays should be in the neighbours garden as well as the pole.  

Sorry about taking so long to reply I have just managed to get another photo… 

cgee987

Lorian said:

Could you post another photo with the pole in the centre of the photo, ideally when it's less sunny.

The stay wires look like they have tension but the overheads dont.

I have just managed to post some more images, hopefully they help. 

Northern power today agreed to have an engineer come out and visit. Not sure if it will make much difference as they don’t want to move it. 

cgee987

mmmmikey said:

pQrizB said:

mmmmikey said:

You could accept the cash offer, dig up what looks like pampas grass in the middle of the lawn and replant it or plant something else at the point where the stay goes into the ground.

I was wondering about a bit of trellis and a climbing rose or similar.

Good idea - @cgee987 if you happen to live not too far from Lincoln I have a spare decorative trellis panel propped up behind my shed that you are welcome to have for nothing - you'd just need a couple of posts to support it....

Thankyou for the offer, I am 4 hours from you

Lorian

Hopefully they will reconsider when they see it. Remind them they don't have a wayleave for it.... 

Can you see, does the final pole a few gardens down towards the red roofed buildings have similar wires? If it doesn't point that out to them too.

Robin9

Re the wires with the yellow and black on it.    This was temporary insulation while decorating was taking place. Northern can remove now if the work is complete.

molerat

Surely those stays should be fitted with the bright yellow guards, they are a clear health and safety hazard without them.

https://www.millsltd.com/default/stay-guard-without-pigtail-1-82m.html

Scot_39

The thicker black wire in the first of your photos seems likely to be the heaviest load - pole to pole - over next door but 1 garage / large outbuilding with the white painted breeze block wall - by the look of it - and that is diagonally opposite your stay wires.

So suspect that might be a part of the load they are designed to hold taught.

Perhaps @Robin9 and actual knowledge can comment on what the wire is likely to be and the relative weights / pole loading

The next pole down seems to have that sort of load balanced either side - so maybe not stay wires - the third one possible not - so may again have corresponding stay wires - but that one looks as it may be on a turn too.

But unless those trees and the high embankment behind the houses are far further back than appear in the photos - not sure where you think the free space is - especially if the garage ? / white breeze block wall building - is on a rear service road.

Edit

Actually scratch the idea the white breeze block structure a garage - as appears to a have stove/ flue - so unlikely to be a garage.

HillStreetBlues

molerat said:

Surely those stays should be fitted with the bright yellow guards, they are a clear health and safety hazard without them.

https://www.millsltd.com/default/stay-guard-without-pigtail-1-82m.html

I would have thought if it was a clear S&H hazard every stay wire would have been fitted with them by now.