Northern power refusing to move stay wire

cgee987

Scot_39 said:

The stay wires exist for stabilty, and to support the pole against opposing forces acting on the pole that often act predominately in certain directions, depending say on cable routes.

The fact the pole is in a neighbours garden, but the now 2 from your later post stay wires in yours suggests the clear presence of an offset load on the pole.

So, and I am not saying this is your situation, say at a turn in the cable direction, they will be on opposite side - the outside of the turn, as the cable loading on the pole will be imbalanced, and often only 1 or 2 stay wire required. 

They are fundamental mechanical parts of the installation.

They depending on those loads cannot simply be moved to the other side of a pole - their directional.  They - as they are wires - act only in tension, to prevent the pole being pulled in the opposing direction.

There are things called stay guards that can be fitted, generally for visibility rather than physical protection per se, but they probably would be less harmful if a toddler, child made accidental contact. So in one trade vendors case their bright yellow,  hollow plastic with offseting "screws" in some piccies for others, maybe so cables stay aired and guards dont rattle in the wind  - but id leave it upto the utility company to fit them, if they will.  Its their pole, their stay wire. 
Might make the wire a tad more noticeable in the garden to you and others say at sale time though. 

Can part of the garden not be fenced off by a low wooden fence or shrub line in some way to protect the child ?

The fact stays now on your land without a current  leeway you could try a legal challange, but if they can persuade a court even just likely the council approved ....

i have attached a photo, to view, if we were to fence around it would block off quite a large part of the garden as it is in the centre of the garden. 

It wouldn’t be as much of an issue if it was at the side of the garden but this is just in the way really

cgee987

Robin9 said:

Any chance of a drawing ?

Attached on the other comment 😊

Scot_39

cgee987 said:

Scot_39 said:

The stay wires exist for stabilty, and to support the pole against opposing forces acting on the pole that often act predominately in certain directions, depending say on cable routes.

The fact the pole is in a neighbours garden, but the now 2 from your later post stay wires in yours suggests the clear presence of an offset load on the pole.

So, and I am not saying this is your situation, say at a turn in the cable direction, they will be on opposite side - the outside of the turn, as the cable loading on the pole will be imbalanced, and often only 1 or 2 stay wire required. 

They are fundamental mechanical parts of the installation.

They depending on those loads cannot simply be moved to the other side of a pole - their directional.  They - as they are wires - act only in tension, to prevent the pole being pulled in the opposing direction.

There are things called stay guards that can be fitted, generally for visibility rather than physical protection per se, but they probably would be less harmful if a toddler, child made accidental contact. So in one trade vendors case their bright yellow,  hollow plastic with offseting "screws" in some piccies for others, maybe so cables stay aired and guards dont rattle in the wind  - but id leave it upto the utility company to fit them, if they will.  Its their pole, their stay wire. 
Might make the wire a tad more noticeable in the garden to you and others say at sale time though. 

Can part of the garden not be fenced off by a low wooden fence or shrub line in some way to protect the child ?

The fact stays now on your land without a current  leeway you could try a legal challange, but if they can persuade a court even just likely the council approved ....

i have attached a photo, to view, if we were to fence around it would block off quite a large part of the garden as it is in the centre of the garden. 

It wouldn’t be as much of an issue if it was at the side of the garden but this is just in the way really

Would you have to block off that much more than the long grass area to prevent harm to a child.  Even a 6 foot adult could be protected by something to rhs of line of store / garage type door as already above roof height.

Phones4Chris

cgee987 said:

Scot_39 said:

The stay wires exist for stabilty, and to support the pole against opposing forces acting on the pole that often act predominately in certain directions, depending say on cable routes.

The fact the pole is in a neighbours garden, but the now 2 from your later post stay wires in yours suggests the clear presence of an offset load on the pole.

So, and I am not saying this is your situation, say at a turn in the cable direction, they will be on opposite side - the outside of the turn, as the cable loading on the pole will be imbalanced, and often only 1 or 2 stay wire required. 

They are fundamental mechanical parts of the installation.

They depending on those loads cannot simply be moved to the other side of a pole - their directional.  They - as they are wires - act only in tension, to prevent the pole being pulled in the opposing direction.

There are things called stay guards that can be fitted, generally for visibility rather than physical protection per se, but they probably would be less harmful if a toddler, child made accidental contact. So in one trade vendors case their bright yellow,  hollow plastic with offseting "screws" in some piccies for others, maybe so cables stay aired and guards dont rattle in the wind  - but id leave it upto the utility company to fit them, if they will.  Its their pole, their stay wire. 
Might make the wire a tad more noticeable in the garden to you and others say at sale time though. 

Can part of the garden not be fenced off by a low wooden fence or shrub line in some way to protect the child ?

The fact stays now on your land without a current  leeway you could try a legal challange, but if they can persuade a court even just likely the council approved ....

i have attached a photo, to view, if we were to fence around it would block off quite a large part of the garden as it is in the centre of the garden. 

It wouldn’t be as much of an issue if it was at the side of the garden but this is just in the way really

The photo isn't quite clear enough to be certain, but is that only one pair of electric cables (ie. 2 wires) coming/going on the left of the pole in that picture? If so how far do they go compared to those cables coming/going on the right?
I'm almost thinking that the stay wires are the wrong side! What do you think @Robin9 ?

HillStreetBlues

If you're baby has already bumped into the wire twice I think you need to do something with your washing line pole.

Robin9

@Phones     Not sure - I've tried blowing the photo up . 

There is a horizontal pair going to the right under tension and I guess this is the supply side.

There is a sloppy pair coming towards the camera and I presume these are the supply to the property concerned (may also feed a neighbour or two)

There is also a sloppy pair going to the left and I guess these supply neighbouring properties.

The two steel stays appear to be in tension but I can't see why. -  perhaps there was once a 4 wire supply from the left which has now been dismantled.

The pole is very, very old  - it has a finial on top and I've built a pole with one.

If all the above is correct that would mean that the stays should be in the neighbours garden as well as the pole.  

Lorian

Could you post another photo with the pole in the centre of the photo, ideally when it's less sunny.

The stay wires look like they have tension but the overheads dont.

Qyburn

HillStreetBlues said:

If you're baby has already bumped into the wire twice I think you need to do something with your washing line pole.

To be fair an angled obstruction is more hazardous than a vertical one.

mmmmikey

You could accept the cash offer, dig up what looks like pampas grass in the middle of the lawn and replant it or plant something else at the point where the stay goes into the ground. It might not be your preferred solution but it would solve the toddler problem and instead of paying to have it removed you'd have cash in hand. Would also save you a whole heap of hassle negotiating to get the stay wire removed and any mess associated with moving it.

QrizB

mmmmikey said:

You could accept the cash offer, dig up what looks like pampas grass in the middle of the lawn and replant it or plant something else at the point where the stay goes into the ground.

I was wondering about a bit of trellis and a climbing rose or similar.