Parking Code of Practice Consultation 2025 - now let's see what happens

delabc

Sorry, I meant 90%+.

Nellymoser

Yes it's an excellent idea wonder why the experts in parking management didn't think of it!!
I went a bit further than recommending I said ANPR parking systems which allow or create motorists errors MUST be banned by Govt. 

Le_Kirk

I made the point that the PPC knows the VRM of every car in the car park, otherwise they wouldn't be able to ask DVLA for keeper details and should therefore, at their PDT or payment app stage be able to match a VRM with the details input by the motorist and, if different, do not allow the motorist to continue until the VRM is corrected!  Of course, that way no PCNs can be issued!

Kaizen2024

The tariffs would need to increase significantly to accommodate this, as terminals that have this capacity are few and far between; and cost at least 3 to 4 times as much as a standard terminal.

Also, any form of communication error between the terminal and ANPR would close the car park down (you can’t pay if the terminal does not know you are there in this setting). 

Standard terminals and ANPR can carry on working independently in the event of a network issue, and store the data until connectivity is resumed.

If this was forced upon operators, most would remove all terminals and go 100% phone payments.

Basically, it’s never going to happen.

Car1980

The tariffs would need to increase significantly to accommodate this

Sounds ok to me. Parking tariffs are generally quite reasonable (some city centre rip-off sites excepted).

delabc

Like I said in my first post on this thread, all they have to do is allow payment on their website or app like TFL do with the Congestion Zone and ULEZ. Wouldn't cost them a penny. No need for machines. And they could allow three days to pay like TFL. I remember a toll road in Italy controlled by ANPR which allowed up to 7 days to pay. I nearly got caught out though because all the signage was in Italian!

delabc

Having a system like Epping Forest car parks with ANPR AND payment in advance for an estimated time on the dreaded RingGo app is crazy, except that it creates multiple opportunities for the PPC to issue PCN's.

Castle

Le_Kirk said:

I made the point that the PPC knows the VRM of every car in the car park, otherwise they wouldn't be able to ask DVLA for keeper details and should therefore, at their PDT or payment app stage be able to match a VRM with the details input by the motorist and, if different, do not allow the motorist to continue until the VRM is corrected!  Of course, that way no PCNs can be issued!

This assumes that the VRM was correctly recorded in the first place by the PPC's ANPR camera; it is also possible that the vehicle was missed entirely when it entered.

Coupon-mad

Kaizen2024 said:

If this was forced upon operators, most would remove all terminals and go 100% phone payments.

Basically, it’s never going to happen.

That last bit is indeed never going to happen because it digitally excludes a large section of society. And it's in breach of the statutory code, and none of the industry objected to this aspect in 2022.

And I don't believe for a minute that the kiosks (below system) used by Horizon at Tesco, for example, cost "3 or 4 times more" than the new cost of an average modern PDT (you must compare new cost with new cost or your figures are misleading):

https://parktoshop.uk/

Secondly, even if you are using a crappy 20 year old second hand PDT, as some infamous ex-clamper PPCs do, with ZatPark you can include the safeguard of 'fuzzy' data checking software in the back office system which could easily check for similar VRMs even if the PDT can't on the day.

That safeguard fuzzy data check done 24 hours after the event would stop rogue PPCs running for DVLA data unfairly.

Kaizen2024

Whether you believe it or not, it’s true.

A cash and card flowbird, IPS, Metric terminal with keypad entry is circa £4k and Cammax terminal is £15k min depending on configuration.

Your going off subject as the exchange was about the terminal exchanging/comparing data with the ANPR camera reads, but ‘Fuzzy matching’ is in use by most (not all) operators and works for minor keying errors but not where the reg is completely different (ovs).

It will also only search a 12 hour window as (Im told) there would be too much data to handle if the widow were larger.

p.s The Tesco software is bespoke and out of reach for most operators. Zatpark is effectively an off-the-shelf product and more affordable (but by no means cheap).