Lease car registered in mainland GB but located in NI

Mildly_Miffed

Herzlos said:

Mildly_Miffed said:

Herzlos said:

That seems an odd way of phrasing it then. If the OP was the one who took out the lease, why mention where the VWFS is located, instead of saying "I'm in NI and VWFS know". 

Because that means the car is registered to a GB address.

The MOT rules are different for cars registered to addresses in GB and in NI.

The car has not been taken to a different country, just a different part of the same country, the United Kingdom.

But if the car is still registered to a GB address, is that the correct address for whoever VWFS think has the car?

I assume that on a lease, if you move address you just let the lease company know and they update it, so there'd be no reason for the car to still be registered to a GB address. 

The lease company *is* the RK.

Herzlos

I think we're talking at crossed purposes here or I'm not explaining very well. 

I know VWFS is the registered keeper, but by "lease/owner is still located in mainland GB" does the OP mean VWFS or another person who took out the lease and still has an addres

Mildly_Miffed

Herzlos said:

I think we're talking at crossed purposes here or I'm not explaining very well. 

I know VWFS is the registered keeper, but by "lease/owner is still located in mainland GB" does the OP mean VWFS or another person who took out the lease and still has an addres

You're over-complicating.

VWFS = financier and Reg'd Keeper, V5C to GB address (MK) = car legally requires MOT at 3yo
 OP = person with car, based in NI = gov't run MOT stations won't test until 4yo

Car_54

Mildly_Miffed said:

Herzlos said:

I think we're talking at crossed purposes here or I'm not explaining very well. 

I know VWFS is the registered keeper, but by "lease/owner is still located in mainland GB" does the OP mean VWFS or another person who took out the lease and still has an addres

You're over-complicating.

VWFS = financier and Reg'd Keeper, V5C to GB address (MK) = car legally requires MOT at 3yo
 OP = person with car, based in NI = gov't run MOT stations won't test until 4yo

It's not quite that simple.

MOTs at 3 years are required by the Road Traffic Act 1988, which specifically does not apply in NI, so the car does not in fact require an MOT. The RK's GB address has no bearing on that.

The complication arises because the MOT reminder is sent to VW as the RK. They could quite happily ignore it. But what they couldn't then do is tax the car in GB. 

Grey_Critic

Have been trying to research this - Nothern Ireland is subject to additional rules due to the border and EU. I believe there is a form required  if you wish to go there on holiday or keep a mainland car there for sometime. Something to do with Brexit

redped

Grey_Critic said:

Have been trying to research this - Nothern Ireland is subject to additional rules due to the border and EU. I believe there is a form required  if you wish to go there on holiday or keep a mainland car there for sometime. Something to do with Brexit

Oh come on, now you're just making this up as you go along!  A form required to go on holiday to Northern Ireland???  From the mainland???  If you're referring to the Electronic Travel Authorisation, then a 5 second google brings this up:

"For tourism to Northern Ireland, most visitors will need an Electronic Travel Authorisation (ETA). This digital permission to travel is required for those who don't need a UK visa and is in addition to a valid passport. British and Irish citizens are exempt from needing an ETA."

Do yourself a favour and quit while you're behind.

paul_c123

gredpenguin said:

I have a just over 3 year old car on a lease from WVFS, I have moved this car to Northern Ireland but the lease/owner is still located in mainland GB. The government website is telling me I need to have an MOT on the car but I am unable to get an MOT locally in NI as the car is not yet 4 years old.

Does anyone know the legal implications for this? Am I able to drive in NI? Is my insurance valid? Do I have to make a trip back to the mainland to get the MOT done?

Thanks in advance.

I think you have to make a trip back to GB for an MoT. The GB mainland is administered by DVLA and Northern Ireland is administered by DVA Northern Ireland. They are essentially separate systems with a few connections and similarities, for example they have their own series of plates so there's never going to be a duplicate between them; and they allow an otherwise legal temporary import to stay for an unlimited time, in other words they allow 'permanent' import of a GB car to NI and vice versa. 

Compare to the situation between, for example, GB and France where they allow temporary import so long as its legal in its home country but there's time limits. The French too, have an equivalent of the MoT but you can't roll up at a GB garage, get it MoT'd and it be valid in France.

Similarly, the Northern Ireland MoT system won't have access to a GB car's MoT records, nor be able to do an MoT on the car and it update the GB record. It would be an MoT, but on the Northern Irish system. The car would still not have the correct MoT for its associated underlying registration.

sheramber

redped said:

Grey_Critic said:

Have been trying to research this - Nothern Ireland is subject to additional rules due to the border and EU. I believe there is a form required  if you wish to go there on holiday or keep a mainland car there for sometime. Something to do with Brexit

Oh come on, now you're just making this up as you go along!  A form required to go on holiday to Northern Ireland???  From the mainland???  If you're referring to the Electronic Travel Authorisation, then a 5 second google brings this up:

"For tourism to Northern Ireland, most visitors will need an Electronic Travel Authorisation (ETA). This digital permission to travel is required for those who don't need a UK visa and is in addition to a valid passport. British and Irish citizens are exempt from needing an ETA."

Do yourself a favour and quit while you're behind.

It is not a form for the driver.  

It applies if you are importing a car from GB to NI. due to the Windsor Agreement after Breit.

The OP has not indicated if he is  there long term or on a short visit.

redped

sheramber said:

redped said:

Grey_Critic said:

Have been trying to research this - Nothern Ireland is subject to additional rules due to the border and EU. I believe there is a form required  if you wish to go there on holiday or keep a mainland car there for sometime. Something to do with Brexit

Oh come on, now you're just making this up as you go along!  A form required to go on holiday to Northern Ireland???  From the mainland???  If you're referring to the Electronic Travel Authorisation, then a 5 second google brings this up:

"For tourism to Northern Ireland, most visitors will need an Electronic Travel Authorisation (ETA). This digital permission to travel is required for those who don't need a UK visa and is in addition to a valid passport. British and Irish citizens are exempt from needing an ETA."

Do yourself a favour and quit while you're behind.

It is not a form for the driver.  

It applies if you are importing a car from GB to NI. due to the Windsor Agreement after Breit.

The OP has not indicated if he is  there long term or on a short visit.

@sheramber - if you read what I've highlighted, you'll see I was pointing out the statement about requiring a form to go on holiday, NOT about importing a car to NI.

Grey_critic has made three comments on this thread:

In the first, he confused Northern Ireland with the Republic of Ireland.

In the second, they said the OP requires agreement with VWFS to remove the vehicle to NI - when I asked for the source of this info, there was no reply.

In the third, they state that a form is required to go on holiday to NI, which I'm calling out as incorrect nonsense for any British or Irish citizens.

Read https://www.gov.uk/bringing-goods-into-uk-personal-use/travelling-between-great-britain-and-northern-ireland for info on permanently bringing a car from GB to NI.

born_again

If only the OP would comeback & confirm if VWFS are aware of the situation on the car in NI 🤷‍♀️