Best Way to Avoid Getting a Smart Meter with E.ON Next

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flaneurs_lobster said:

This is dangerously close to "5Gs give you Covid" territory.

No, if E.ON want to fit a smart (or any other type of replacement) meter they can. It's their property and it's a condition of you using them for supply that they can access the thing whenever they need to.

There are any things that interfere with pacemaker / ICD style devices that people can come across in their and other homes and public spaces.

I quite happily carry my phone in a shirt or tshirt breast pocket.

That might will be enough to kill  - certainly those with ICDs.

The list an older colleague / friend was given to avoid - is over one side of an A4 page.

And the govt took smart meter WAN and HAN signals seriously enough to perform studies.

It's if anything one of the more sensible questions I have heard for reasons to reject.

Digital meters had problems - analogue before too.

And I cannot help thinking it would be so much better if the govt actually broke down the media sensationalized 10% of failures - to those that many would consider real failures - so even just a minor, major smart, actual failure.

debitcardmayhem

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GingerTim said:

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If your meter is faulty, then I guess the supplier has a case unless you can prove otherwise with credible evidence.

About your supplier continuously contacting you regarding SM's: it is your home, your life, and you can tell them in no uncertain terms as follows:

Please do not call/harass me with your communications re smart meters as I am not interested. Any further contact regarding this will be reported to the ombudsman. Get the person's name and location you speak to and time and date and preferably get their email to confirm or ref number when you tell them you do not want to be contacted.

It is indeed the OP's home and life - but it is not their meter.

 If the OP's meter certification has expired, then it has to be replaced and will be replaced with a smart meter - so in that scenario all the above is pointless and the supplier can, should they wish, get a warrant to gain entry to the property to fit a replacement.

The way I have read the post is the meter is working, hence my response.

I've also made it clear, if the meter is not working, the OP will need to provide "credible evidence" why he/they should not get a meter.

Nowhere in the OP's post does it state the meter is not working."

Btw, where does the OP post that the meters 'certification has expired"? It does not.

@unsureaboutthis Irrelevant, it’s not her meter, end of. How you or they can possibly know the meter is working?
Oh it’s their home etc……ad nauseam, but it is still not her meter.

@BR5500 they are entitled to replace it, there is no way that the meter is going to interfere with her pacemaker nor your Tv reception nor her medication or any other social media claims. If you compare this to a car , yes it works but after 3 years you need a MOT, pointless analogy but that is similar. 
Yes there are smart/non-smart meters that go wrong, but they are in a very small minority.

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GingerTim said:

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GingerTim said:

UnsureAboutthis said:

If your meter is faulty, then I guess the supplier has a case unless you can prove otherwise with credible evidence.

About your supplier continuously contacting you regarding SM's: it is your home, your life, and you can tell them in no uncertain terms as follows:

Please do not call/harass me with your communications re smart meters as I am not interested. Any further contact regarding this will be reported to the ombudsman. Get the person's name and location you speak to and time and date and preferably get their email to confirm or ref number when you tell them you do not want to be contacted.

It is indeed the OP's home and life - but it is not their meter.

 If the OP's meter certification has expired, then it has to be replaced and will be replaced with a smart meter - so in that scenario all the above is pointless and the supplier can, should they wish, get a warrant to gain entry to the property to fit a replacement.

The way I have read the post is the meter is working, hence my response.

I've also made it clear, if the meter is not working, the OP will need to provide "credible evidence" why he/they should not get a meter.

Nowhere in the OP's post does it state the meter is not working."

Btw, where does the OP post that the meters 'certification has expired"? It does not.

The meter is 'working' - but it's certification may have also expired. The two conditions are not exclusive.

The point is that the OP has to determine if the certification has expired to know for certain if their meter should be replaced and trying to demand not to be contacted: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1126202/schedule-4-december-2022.pdf

The OP has no way to be able to categorically state that their current meter is 'working perfectly'.

Why bring equation "meter cert may have expired?  (in fairness to you you are not the first) The OP has not stated it so it is safe to assume that the 
meter is fully working and the cert not expired.

I'm certain that a company like his supplier would clearly state if they believe the cert has expired and this has not been mentioned. I'd be staggered if they did not mention that if that was the case as then then their customer has little choice.

I was hounded by my supplier, and I got fed up with it. I did as per as my OP and it worked for me.
Later down the road I decided to go for one as I say the advantages of an IHD for us. I've seen an IHD in action at one of my children's home and the dual display of the current gas/elec usage.  It was a total waste of time and a mass of stress and wasted time for me. The IHD did not work ie the gas use, current gas is not connected to the meter. The meters are right next to each other. The supplier was massively slow following up. When they eventually visited two times,  (when initially installed the fitted spouted some total bs that hq would arrange the connection)  so when the 2 visits happened, the first tried to spout the same bs and then the second. A complaint to the ombudsman eventually got the supplier to admit they could not get a connection as in "some cases for unknown reasons the IHD won't connect"  (I forgot the first follow up vist changed the IHD)  The reason I went for having been against it as I'm aware with any change, things can go wrong EG, wrong readings, readings moxed up, having to wait for the fitter etc etc but I went for it to see how much gas and elec we were using so we could adjust as bills are very high. Their adverts always ranted about being "able to use how much energy you are using"  -  The advert failed to mention that in certain circumstances, the IHD's may not perform as advertised.

The problem was not with my wifi etc as the electric meter right next to it was doing the job.

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debitcardmayhem said:

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GingerTim said:

UnsureAboutthis said:

If your meter is faulty, then I guess the supplier has a case unless you can prove otherwise with credible evidence.

About your supplier continuously contacting you regarding SM's: it is your home, your life, and you can tell them in no uncertain terms as follows:

Please do not call/harass me with your communications re smart meters as I am not interested. Any further contact regarding this will be reported to the ombudsman. Get the person's name and location you speak to and time and date and preferably get their email to confirm or ref number when you tell them you do not want to be contacted.

It is indeed the OP's home and life - but it is not their meter.

 If the OP's meter certification has expired, then it has to be replaced and will be replaced with a smart meter - so in that scenario all the above is pointless and the supplier can, should they wish, get a warrant to gain entry to the property to fit a replacement.

The way I have read the post is the meter is working, hence my response.

I've also made it clear, if the meter is not working, the OP will need to provide "credible evidence" why he/they should not get a meter.

Nowhere in the OP's post does it state the meter is not working."

Btw, where does the OP post that the meters 'certification has expired"? It does not.

@unsureaboutthis Irrelevant, it’s not her meter, end of. How you or they can possibly know the meter is working?
Oh it’s their home etc……ad nauseam, but it is still not her meter.

@BR5500 they are entitled to replace it, there is no way that the meter is going to interfere with her pacemaker nor your Tv reception nor her medication or any other social media claims. If you compare this to a car , yes it works but after 3 years you need a MOT, pointless analogy but that is similar. 
Yes there are smart/non-smart meters that go wrong, but they are in a very small minority.

Irrelevant,  as there is no indication that the meter is faulty/etc.

Relevant, OP does not want to be hounded and he can get them to stop that be telling them unless the supplier comes back and advises the customer the meter is faulty/etc.

MattMattMattUK

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GingerTim said:

UnsureAboutthis said:

GingerTim said:

UnsureAboutthis said:

If your meter is faulty, then I guess the supplier has a case unless you can prove otherwise with credible evidence.

About your supplier continuously contacting you regarding SM's: it is your home, your life, and you can tell them in no uncertain terms as follows:

Please do not call/harass me with your communications re smart meters as I am not interested. Any further contact regarding this will be reported to the ombudsman. Get the person's name and location you speak to and time and date and preferably get their email to confirm or ref number when you tell them you do not want to be contacted.

It is indeed the OP's home and life - but it is not their meter.

 If the OP's meter certification has expired, then it has to be replaced and will be replaced with a smart meter - so in that scenario all the above is pointless and the supplier can, should they wish, get a warrant to gain entry to the property to fit a replacement.

The way I have read the post is the meter is working, hence my response.

I've also made it clear, if the meter is not working, the OP will need to provide "credible evidence" why he/they should not get a meter.

Nowhere in the OP's post does it state the meter is not working."

Btw, where does the OP post that the meters 'certification has expired"? It does not.

The meter is 'working' - but it's certification may have also expired. The two conditions are not exclusive.

The point is that the OP has to determine if the certification has expired to know for certain if their meter should be replaced and trying to demand not to be contacted: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1126202/schedule-4-december-2022.pdf

The OP has no way to be able to categorically state that their current meter is 'working perfectly'.

Why bring equation "meter cert may have expired?  (in fairness to you you are not the first) The OP has not stated it so it is safe to assume that the 
meter is fully working and the cert not expired.

I'm certain that a company like his supplier would clearly state if they believe the cert has expired and this has not been mentioned. I'd be staggered if they did not mention that if that was the case as then then their customer has little choice.

I was hounded by my supplier, and I got fed up with it. I did as per as my OP and it worked for me.
Later down the road I decided to go for one as I say the advantages of an IHD for us. I've seen an IHD in action at one of my children's home and the dual display of the current gas/elec usage.  It was a total waste of time and a mass of stress and wasted time for me. The IHD did not work ie the gas use, current gas is not connected to the meter. The meters are right next to each other. The supplier was massively slow following up. When they eventually visited two times,  (when initially installed the fitted spouted some total bs that hq would arrange the connection)  so when the 2 visits happened, the first tried to spout the same bs and then the second. A complaint to the ombudsman eventually got the supplier to admit they could not get a connection as in "some cases for unknown reasons the IHD won't connect"  (I forgot the first follow up vist changed the IHD)  The reason I went for having been against it as I'm aware with any change, things can go wrong EG, wrong readings, readings moxed up, having to wait for the fitter etc etc but I went for it to see how much gas and elec we were using so we could adjust as bills are very high. Their adverts always ranted about being "able to use how much energy you are using"  -  The advert failed to mention that in certain circumstances, the IHD's may not perform as advertised.

Did you n car adverts fail to mention that the car may have an issue at some point, that the weather on your beach holiday might not be sunny, that your toothpaste might not be a flavour you like? The meter still works as a meter, it still reports, just the IHD does not work, which is largely a gimmick anyway.

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The problem was not with my wifi etc as the electric meter right next to it was doing the job.

Smart meters have absolutely nothing to do with your WiFi and that statement would indicate you have no understanding of smart meters or how they operate. 

MattMattMattUK

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debitcardmayhem said:

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GingerTim said:

UnsureAboutthis said:

If your meter is faulty, then I guess the supplier has a case unless you can prove otherwise with credible evidence.

About your supplier continuously contacting you regarding SM's: it is your home, your life, and you can tell them in no uncertain terms as follows:

Please do not call/harass me with your communications re smart meters as I am not interested. Any further contact regarding this will be reported to the ombudsman. Get the person's name and location you speak to and time and date and preferably get their email to confirm or ref number when you tell them you do not want to be contacted.

It is indeed the OP's home and life - but it is not their meter.

 If the OP's meter certification has expired, then it has to be replaced and will be replaced with a smart meter - so in that scenario all the above is pointless and the supplier can, should they wish, get a warrant to gain entry to the property to fit a replacement.

The way I have read the post is the meter is working, hence my response.

I've also made it clear, if the meter is not working, the OP will need to provide "credible evidence" why he/they should not get a meter.

Nowhere in the OP's post does it state the meter is not working."

Btw, where does the OP post that the meters 'certification has expired"? It does not.

@unsureaboutthis Irrelevant, it’s not her meter, end of. How you or they can possibly know the meter is working?
Oh it’s their home etc……ad nauseam, but it is still not her meter.

@BR5500 they are entitled to replace it, there is no way that the meter is going to interfere with her pacemaker nor your Tv reception nor her medication or any other social media claims. If you compare this to a car , yes it works but after 3 years you need a MOT, pointless analogy but that is similar. 
Yes there are smart/non-smart meters that go wrong, but they are in a very small minority.

Irrelevant,  as there is no indication that the meter is faulty/etc.

Relevant, OP does not want to be hounded and he can get them to stop that be telling them unless the supplier comes back and advises the customer the meter is faulty/etc.

No they cannot, the energy supplier is entitled to replace the meter, in many circumstances they are required to replace meters. They are not required to pander to conspiracy theorists, the paranoid, or people who choose to be irrational.

Ksw3

You might be lucky, we have a smart meter that hasn't worked since we moved in. British Gas harass us to have it fixed/replaced, I reluctantly book an appointment, engineer doesn't show, I get a £30 credit to my account... 

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MattMattMattUK said:

UnsureAboutthis said:

GingerTim said:

UnsureAboutthis said:

GingerTim said:

UnsureAboutthis said:

If your meter is faulty, then I guess the supplier has a case unless you can prove otherwise with credible evidence.

About your supplier continuously contacting you regarding SM's: it is your home, your life, and you can tell them in no uncertain terms as follows:

Please do not call/harass me with your communications re smart meters as I am not interested. Any further contact regarding this will be reported to the ombudsman. Get the person's name and location you speak to and time and date and preferably get their email to confirm or ref number when you tell them you do not want to be contacted.

It is indeed the OP's home and life - but it is not their meter.

 If the OP's meter certification has expired, then it has to be replaced and will be replaced with a smart meter - so in that scenario all the above is pointless and the supplier can, should they wish, get a warrant to gain entry to the property to fit a replacement.

The way I have read the post is the meter is working, hence my response.

I've also made it clear, if the meter is not working, the OP will need to provide "credible evidence" why he/they should not get a meter.

Nowhere in the OP's post does it state the meter is not working."

Btw, where does the OP post that the meters 'certification has expired"? It does not.

The meter is 'working' - but it's certification may have also expired. The two conditions are not exclusive.

The point is that the OP has to determine if the certification has expired to know for certain if their meter should be replaced and trying to demand not to be contacted: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1126202/schedule-4-december-2022.pdf

The OP has no way to be able to categorically state that their current meter is 'working perfectly'.

Why bring equation "meter cert may have expired?  (in fairness to you you are not the first) The OP has not stated it so it is safe to assume that the 
meter is fully working and the cert not expired.

I'm certain that a company like his supplier would clearly state if they believe the cert has expired and this has not been mentioned. I'd be staggered if they did not mention that if that was the case as then then their customer has little choice.

I was hounded by my supplier, and I got fed up with it. I did as per as my OP and it worked for me.
Later down the road I decided to go for one as I say the advantages of an IHD for us. I've seen an IHD in action at one of my children's home and the dual display of the current gas/elec usage.  It was a total waste of time and a mass of stress and wasted time for me. The IHD did not work ie the gas use, current gas is not connected to the meter. The meters are right next to each other. The supplier was massively slow following up. When they eventually visited two times,  (when initially installed the fitted spouted some total bs that hq would arrange the connection)  so when the 2 visits happened, the first tried to spout the same bs and then the second. A complaint to the ombudsman eventually got the supplier to admit they could not get a connection as in "some cases for unknown reasons the IHD won't connect"  (I forgot the first follow up vist changed the IHD)  The reason I went for having been against it as I'm aware with any change, things can go wrong EG, wrong readings, readings moxed up, having to wait for the fitter etc etc but I went for it to see how much gas and elec we were using so we could adjust as bills are very high. Their adverts always ranted about being "able to use how much energy you are using"  -  The advert failed to mention that in certain circumstances, the IHD's may not perform as advertised.

Did you n car adverts fail to mention that the car may have an issue at some point, that the weather on your beach holiday might not be sunny, that your toothpaste might not be a flavour you like? The meter still works as a meter, it still reports, just the IHD does not work, which is largely a gimmick anyway.

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The problem was not with my wifi etc as the electric meter right next to it was doing the job.

Smart meters have absolutely nothing to do with your WiFi and that statement would indicate you have no understanding of smart meters or how they operate. 

Clearly, you don't know what you are talking about as if there was no wifi is the internet and no internet, there would be no IHD connect or are you saying you can get IHD to work without wifi internet?

Did you read about the bit about 3 vists by the supplier and they also changed the IHD and the electric element is working?
The supplier was constantly saying check your wifi and it was a fight to get them out.
What ever it is , the fact remains I had to go to the ombudsman and the gas element of the IHD fails to work.
As per my post you quoted, I was also given a laod of BS by the suppliers.
The bottom line is the IHD is NOT working as advertised for me and the IHD can't work without the internet and its wifi

Irrelevant comments "car adverts."

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MattMattMattUK said:

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debitcardmayhem said:

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GingerTim said:

UnsureAboutthis said:

If your meter is faulty, then I guess the supplier has a case unless you can prove otherwise with credible evidence.

About your supplier continuously contacting you regarding SM's: it is your home, your life, and you can tell them in no uncertain terms as follows:

Please do not call/harass me with your communications re smart meters as I am not interested. Any further contact regarding this will be reported to the ombudsman. Get the person's name and location you speak to and time and date and preferably get their email to confirm or ref number when you tell them you do not want to be contacted.

It is indeed the OP's home and life - but it is not their meter.

 If the OP's meter certification has expired, then it has to be replaced and will be replaced with a smart meter - so in that scenario all the above is pointless and the supplier can, should they wish, get a warrant to gain entry to the property to fit a replacement.

The way I have read the post is the meter is working, hence my response.

I've also made it clear, if the meter is not working, the OP will need to provide "credible evidence" why he/they should not get a meter.

Nowhere in the OP's post does it state the meter is not working."

Btw, where does the OP post that the meters 'certification has expired"? It does not.

@unsureaboutthis Irrelevant, it’s not her meter, end of. How you or they can possibly know the meter is working?
Oh it’s their home etc……ad nauseam, but it is still not her meter.

@BR5500 they are entitled to replace it, there is no way that the meter is going to interfere with her pacemaker nor your Tv reception nor her medication or any other social media claims. If you compare this to a car , yes it works but after 3 years you need a MOT, pointless analogy but that is similar. 
Yes there are smart/non-smart meters that go wrong, but they are in a very small minority.

Irrelevant,  as there is no indication that the meter is faulty/etc.

Relevant, OP does not want to be hounded and he can get them to stop that be telling them unless the supplier comes back and advises the customer the meter is faulty/etc.

No they cannot, the energy supplier is entitled to replace the meter, in many circumstances they are required to replace meters. They are not required to pander to conspiracy theorists, the paranoid, or people who choose to be irrational.

MattMattMattUK said:

UnsureAboutthis said:

debitcardmayhem said:

UnsureAboutthis said:

GingerTim said:

UnsureAboutthis said:

If your meter is faulty, then I guess the supplier has a case unless you can prove otherwise with credible evidence.

About your supplier continuously contacting you regarding SM's: it is your home, your life, and you can tell them in no uncertain terms as follows:

Please do not call/harass me with your communications re smart meters as I am not interested. Any further contact regarding this will be reported to the ombudsman. Get the person's name and location you speak to and time and date and preferably get their email to confirm or ref number when you tell them you do not want to be contacted.

It is indeed the OP's home and life - but it is not their meter.

 If the OP's meter certification has expired, then it has to be replaced and will be replaced with a smart meter - so in that scenario all the above is pointless and the supplier can, should they wish, get a warrant to gain entry to the property to fit a replacement.

The way I have read the post is the meter is working, hence my response.

I've also made it clear, if the meter is not working, the OP will need to provide "credible evidence" why he/they should not get a meter.

Nowhere in the OP's post does it state the meter is not working."

Btw, where does the OP post that the meters 'certification has expired"? It does not.

@unsureaboutthis Irrelevant, it’s not her meter, end of. How you or they can possibly know the meter is working?
Oh it’s their home etc……ad nauseam, but it is still not her meter.

@BR5500 they are entitled to replace it, there is no way that the meter is going to interfere with her pacemaker nor your Tv reception nor her medication or any other social media claims. If you compare this to a car , yes it works but after 3 years you need a MOT, pointless analogy but that is similar. 
Yes there are smart/non-smart meters that go wrong, but they are in a very small minority.

Irrelevant,  as there is no indication that the meter is faulty/etc.

Relevant, OP does not want to be hounded and he can get them to stop that be telling them unless the supplier comes back and advises the customer the meter is faulty/etc.

No they cannot, the energy supplier is entitled to replace the meter, in many circumstances they are required to replace meters. They are not required to pander to conspiracy theorists, the paranoid, or people who choose to be irrational.

Clearly you have no knowledge about this.
A supplier cannot force anyone to change to a smart meter unless there is a problem with their meter
as things stand.

I've looked up for you the fact about the supplier not being able to force anyone to have a smart meter if the meter is working/etc. I hope that helps.

As you already know, as you must have read the OP, there is no indication that the meter is faulty/expired etc  and my response is based on that rather than guessing about the circumstances.

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/consumer/energy/energy-supply/your-energy-meter/getting-a-smart-meter-installed/#:~:text=You don't have to,hard to access all tariffs.

QrizB

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MattMattMattUK said:

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The problem was not with my wifi etc as the electric meter right next to it was doing the job.

Smart meters have absolutely nothing to do with your WiFi and that statement would indicate you have no understanding of smart meters or how they operate. 

Clearly, you don't know what you are talking about as if there was no wifi is the internet and no internet, there would be no IHD connect or are you saying you can get IHD to work without wifi internet?

It's an undisputed fact that current UK smart meters and IHDs make no use whatsoever of "WiFi internet".

They establish their own ZigBee Home Area Network and connect to the UK DCC's Wide Area Network via mobile data or UHF radio. No WiFi or involved, and no contact with the internet on your premises.

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The bottom line is the IHD is NOT working as advertised for me and the IHD can't work without the internet and its wifi

Your IHD might not be working as intended, but that has nothing to do with the internet or WiFi.