Looking At Older Cars That Don't Have Modern Tech / Electronic Gizmos and Sensors etc......

daveyjp

Someone mentioned Dacia as a fairly modern car built to basic standards and at the weekend I saw another.  The downside is as a car it isn't very good being quite small, having a poor ride, poor handling and not built for performance - the last model Suzuki Jimny. 

 It should also benefit from the new annual warranty with a main dealer service up to ten years old/100,000 miles.

Goudy

The new Dacias are built on modern Renault platforms, so the Sandero and Clio share the shame basic underpinnings.
The Clio is the CMF-B HS (Common Module Family B class High Spec)
The Sandero is the CMF-B LS (Low Spec).

This means the Sandero does without some of the active driver aids of the HS and has less sophisticated soundproofing, but to all other extents it's the same. 

They also now share the same current engines as the Renaults, which are also shared with Nissan and some Mercedes.
You can no longer buy one with an older gen Renault engine in it.

This sounds odd, but the Sandero depreciates a little slower than the HS platform Clio.
In fact Dacias tend to depreciate at a slow rate than almost anything else. 

ididgetwhereiamtoday

Goudy said:

The new Dacias are built on modern Renault platforms, so the Sandero and Clio share the shame basic underpinnings.
The Clio is the CMF-B HS (Common Module Family B class High Spec)
The Sandero is the CMF-B LS (Low Spec).

This means the Sandero does without some of the active driver aids of the HS and has less sophisticated soundproofing, but to all other extents it's the same. 

They also now share the same current engines as the Renaults, which are also shared with Nissan and some Mercedes.
You can no longer buy one with an older gen Renault engine in it.

This sounds odd, but the Sandero depreciates a little slower than the HS platform Clio.
In fact Dacias tend to depreciate at a slow rate than almost anything else. 

That’s because they’re cheap to start with. 

Goudy

That's not as true as it once was, their cheapest car has almost doubled in price these last few years.

But as a percentage, they hold their value slightly better than a lot of other similar cars.
The likes of CAP report they tend to always be in the top ten cars that hold their value best, percentage wise.

Dacia are obviously on to something these days, they have dropped their old warmed up architecture and gone for modern, though cut down architecture.

Their new models have caused a jump in the reliability scores as well, they appear to have jumped to 6th out of 31 manufacturers and their market share continues to grow.

They have also achieved all this via retail. Their figures aren't really inflated by fleet sales.
So it's the everyday joe on the street that  obviously seems quite happy with them.

ididgetwhereiamtoday

The simpler they are the less to go wrong. 

All cars will do the same job as in get you from A to B. 

Goudy

I think this is all down to perception and understanding.

Yes modern cars are more complicated and fitted with more tech but actually some of that complication and tech will keep you going in the event of a problem.

Years ago if your coil failed, your engine died and you ground to a halt.
These days cars have individual coils for each cylinder, which means if one fails it'll keep running at a reduced power output to keep you going.

Years ago you would have had to go through the entire ignition system, testing each component until you found or deduced a duff coil.
These days the onboard diagnostics will tell you it has a duff coil or at least a misfire on a particular cylinder, so you now know where to look.

Some of us used to know how to go through an entire ignitions system back then and some of us didn't.
Today, some of us know how to read and interpret onboard diagnostics and some of us don't.

If you didn't back then and don't know now, your options are still the same, a garage.
Just these days you probably drove your car in some limp mode to the garage rather than having it towed there.

 

scoot65

OP here! I've had some issues trying to log on and was surprised at the amount of replies received. I've had a good read through the replies and there's certainly some good information and points to consider.............. Anyway, my Rover 45 had the welding done and went through the re-test Ok so that's all good for another year. Hopefully I can continue to get good use out of the car for a few years to come!

jinsta

tedted said:

i have a 1992 clipper no cat carb with choke and its not on the ega database normal emission test 

i have a gti on a 92. actually had a cat fitted. ULEZ stops me from driving it though