Gas flue in catio

FreeBear

WIAWSNB said:  Your cheeky catio installer - if your GS had slapped a 'Danger -  do not use' warning on your boiler due to that joist, you'd have been able to force them to reposition it, or your money back. Hey-ho :-)

I would have expected an At Risk notice to be issued due to the proximity of the window. A polycarb roof would fall under the same rules as a carport, so there needs to be a much greater distance between window & flue. The distance to the joist would be secondary.

WIAWSNB

cathymaker said:.

It's a BAXI 800. I shall keep you posted as I've got a gas engineer coming out tomorrow for a second opinion and will discuss ideas. Yours mainly - you've been brilliant!  

Very kind - I hope I've also been right...

I hope your existing flue pipe nozzle can be adapted to the addition of a plume kit, as there's a chance it cannot be - if it's an older boiler. In which case, a whole new flue plus plume may be required which will cost £100's. In that case, going 'mesh', at least on that section of roof, may be your best bet. 

Just got it! 'cat' + 'patio'!!!!

FreeBear

WIAWSNB said: I hope your existing flue pipe nozzle can be adapted to the addition of a plume kit, as there's a chance it cannot be - if it's an older boiler. In which case, a whole new flue plus plume may be required which will cost £100's. In that case, going 'mesh', at least on that section of roof, may be your best bet. 

The nuclear option would be to fit a completely new flue going straight up through the pitched roof.

cathymaker

FreeBear said:

WIAWSNB said:  Your cheeky catio installer - if your GS had slapped a 'Danger -  do not use' warning on your boiler due to that joist, you'd have been able to force them to reposition it, or your money back. Hey-ho :-)

I would have expected an At Risk notice to be issued due to the proximity of the window. A polycarb roof would fall under the same rules as a carport, so there needs to be a much greater distance between window & flue. The distance to the joist would be secondary.

Window wasn't mentioned at all. Roof was the problem. But will see what second engineer says tomorrow.

cathymaker

WIAWSNB said:

cathymaker said:.

It's a BAXI 800. I shall keep you posted as I've got a gas engineer coming out tomorrow for a second opinion and will discuss ideas. Yours mainly - you've been brilliant!  

Very kind - I hope I've also been right...

I hope your existing flue pipe nozzle can be adapted to the addition of a plume kit, as there's a chance it cannot be - if it's an older boiler. In which case, a whole new flue plus plume may be required which will cost £100's. In that case, going 'mesh', at least on that section of roof, may be your best bet. 

Just got it! 'cat' + 'patio'!!!!

Boiler is about 3 years old but chap coming tomorrow has had photos and has already mentioned possibility it might need a new flue.  Yes cat + patio lol.  Baxi adviser had never heard the word before and was most intrigued. Wanted to know why I'd keep my cats 'in a cage'. He thought they were feral I think 😅 

WIAWSNB

Plume kits are designed as an easy and unobtrusive way to take the flue exhaust - which can appear steamy - away from where it can cause a visual nuisance. It's a much smaller pipe, and only extends the central - exhaust - part of the flue, the sticky-out nozzle.

They are designed to replace the existing nozzle, and simply clip in. The problem can be that the existing flue doesn't have the type of terminal that'll accept it - some do, some don't. So, if it doesn't, then the whole flue section may need changing first - an expensive pain.

In which case, I don't know if it's an option to continue with the 'full' flue, removing that end terminal, adding an elbow, a short upright, and a terminal - the existing flue will likely have this suitability, as these flues sections are designed to slot together, and then the flue terminal fitted on the end.
Yes, it's more unsightly to have a whole white flue instead of the smaller plume pipe, but clearly the aesthetics of that side of your property has already been compromised. Kidding! 
If you don't need to replace the whole existing flue, that should be a lot cheaper. 
Possibly it'll require a couple of 45o elbows to dogleg past the gutter, but no big deal.

Later, when you instead get a dawg, you can have the ugly flue extension removed...

cathymaker

WIAWSNB said:

Plume kits are designed as an easy and unobtrusive way to take the flue exhaust - which can appear steamy - away from where it can cause a visual nuisance. It's a much smaller pipe, and only extends the central - exhaust - part of the flue, the sticky-out nozzle.

They are designed to replace the existing nozzle, and simply clip in. The problem can be that the existing flue doesn't have the type of terminal that'll accept it - some do, some don't. So, if it doesn't, then the whole flue section may need changing first - an expensive pain.

In which case, I don't know if it's an option to continue with the 'full' flue, removing that end terminal, adding an elbow, a short upright, and a terminal - the existing flue will likely have this suitability, as these flues sections are designed to slot together, and then the flue terminal fitted on the end.
Yes, it's more unsightly to have a whole white flue instead of the smaller plume pipe, but clearly the aesthetics of that side of your property has already been compromised. Kidding! 
If you don't need to replace the whole existing flue, that should be a lot cheaper. 
Possibly it'll require a couple of 45o elbows to dogleg past the gutter, but no big deal.

Later, when you instead get a dawg, you can have the ugly flue extension removed...

I think I shall have to keep adopting cats to the day I die to get value for money out of the catio at this rate! 🤣

Section62

cathymaker said:

WIAWSNB said:

Plume kits are designed as an easy and unobtrusive way to take the flue exhaust - which can appear steamy - away from where it can cause a visual nuisance. It's a much smaller pipe, and only extends the central - exhaust - part of the flue, the sticky-out nozzle.

They are designed to replace the existing nozzle, and simply clip in. The problem can be that the existing flue doesn't have the type of terminal that'll accept it - some do, some don't. So, if it doesn't, then the whole flue section may need changing first - an expensive pain.

In which case, I don't know if it's an option to continue with the 'full' flue, removing that end terminal, adding an elbow, a short upright, and a terminal - the existing flue will likely have this suitability, as these flues sections are designed to slot together, and then the flue terminal fitted on the end.
Yes, it's more unsightly to have a whole white flue instead of the smaller plume pipe, but clearly the aesthetics of that side of your property has already been compromised. Kidding! 
If you don't need to replace the whole existing flue, that should be a lot cheaper. 
Possibly it'll require a couple of 45o elbows to dogleg past the gutter, but no big deal.

Later, when you instead get a dawg, you can have the ugly flue extension removed...

I think I shall have to keep adopting cats to the day I die to get value for money out of the catio at this rate! 🤣

Surely you mean 'keep being adopted by cats' ? 

cathymaker

Section62 said:

cathymaker said:

WIAWSNB said:

Plume kits are designed as an easy and unobtrusive way to take the flue exhaust - which can appear steamy - away from where it can cause a visual nuisance. It's a much smaller pipe, and only extends the central - exhaust - part of the flue, the sticky-out nozzle.

They are designed to replace the existing nozzle, and simply clip in. The problem can be that the existing flue doesn't have the type of terminal that'll accept it - some do, some don't. So, if it doesn't, then the whole flue section may need changing first - an expensive pain.

In which case, I don't know if it's an option to continue with the 'full' flue, removing that end terminal, adding an elbow, a short upright, and a terminal - the existing flue will likely have this suitability, as these flues sections are designed to slot together, and then the flue terminal fitted on the end.
Yes, it's more unsightly to have a whole white flue instead of the smaller plume pipe, but clearly the aesthetics of that side of your property has already been compromised. Kidding! 
If you don't need to replace the whole existing flue, that should be a lot cheaper. 
Possibly it'll require a couple of 45o elbows to dogleg past the gutter, but no big deal.

Later, when you instead get a dawg, you can have the ugly flue extension removed...

I think I shall have to keep adopting cats to the day I die to get value for money out of the catio at this rate! 🤣

Surely you mean 'keep being adopted by cats' ? 

Oh yes. Sorry 😅 They turned down smoked haddock for breakfast yesterday. I'm going off them fast, the trouble they're causing me 😅

FreeBear

cathymaker said:

Section62 said:

cathymaker said:

WIAWSNB said:

Plume kits are designed as an easy and unobtrusive way to take the flue exhaust - which can appear steamy - away from where it can cause a visual nuisance. It's a much smaller pipe, and only extends the central - exhaust - part of the flue, the sticky-out nozzle.

They are designed to replace the existing nozzle, and simply clip in. The problem can be that the existing flue doesn't have the type of terminal that'll accept it - some do, some don't. So, if it doesn't, then the whole flue section may need changing first - an expensive pain.

In which case, I don't know if it's an option to continue with the 'full' flue, removing that end terminal, adding an elbow, a short upright, and a terminal - the existing flue will likely have this suitability, as these flues sections are designed to slot together, and then the flue terminal fitted on the end.
Yes, it's more unsightly to have a whole white flue instead of the smaller plume pipe, but clearly the aesthetics of that side of your property has already been compromised. Kidding! 
If you don't need to replace the whole existing flue, that should be a lot cheaper. 
Possibly it'll require a couple of 45o elbows to dogleg past the gutter, but no big deal.

Later, when you instead get a dawg, you can have the ugly flue extension removed...

I think I shall have to keep adopting cats to the day I die to get value for money out of the catio at this rate! 🤣

Surely you mean 'keep being adopted by cats' ? 

Oh yes. Sorry 😅 They turned down smoked haddock for breakfast yesterday. I'm going off them fast, the trouble they're causing me 😅

Still. Better than a smelly old dog that deposits turds all over the garden.