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  • GettingOnInYears
    GettingOnInYears Posts: 90 Forumite
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    Appeal is about to be constructed.

    The Judge agreed all points raised about the breach of DPA and that CP Plus had failed in its operations to ensure site compliance. She brought in other points such as wording in PoFA that I never even looked at. Then she stated that the breach of DPA and UKGDR was proven, the next step was to ascertain what evidence of the impact of the breach was suffered. She did bring up the fact that I told her in court that having the PCN served at a time of considerable financial stress was significant but as it wasn't evidenced in my W.S. she had not considered it applicable. So as far as she's concerned breach proven - no distress suffered - no damages awarded.

    I mentioned to her that in these circumstances it would not be the intention of parliament to allow data breaches where no sanctions were imposed as it would allow free reign for a cowboy circus. It even goes against the DPA and UKGDPR legislation.

    So - disappointed but I already have plans for the appeal.

  • GettingOnInYears
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    Just had a quick look at appeal points on Microsoft Co-Pilot. Here's what it says about the judge telling me that there's no evidence of injury or distress:

    1. Yes — English law DOES allow damages even where no distress is proven

    This comes from the line of cases that treat loss of control over personal data as a standalone, compensable harm.

    The key case is:

    ⭐ Gulati v MGN Ltd [2015] EWHC 1482 (Ch)

    What it says:

    • Damages are payable even if the claimant cannot show distress.
    • The wrong is the loss of control over private information.
    • Compensation is for the act of misuse itself, not just the emotional consequences.

    This is the foundation of the modern approach to data‑breach damages.

    Your judge did not apply this.

    ⭐ 2. The Supreme Court confirmed this principle in Lloyd v Google

    ⭐ Lloyd v Google [2021] UKSC 50

    What it says:

    • Loss of control is a valid head of damage.
    • It is separate from distress.
    • A claimant can recover damages for the mere fact their data was unlawfully processed.

    The Supreme Court rejected Lloyd’s representative action, but they did not reject loss‑of‑control damages.
    They explicitly said individuals can claim them.

    Your judge ignored this.

    ⭐ 3. The High Court has repeatedly awarded damages without distress

    ⭐ TLT v Home Office [2016] EWHC 2217 (QB)

    What it says:

    • Distress can be inferred, but even where distress is minimal, damages are still payable.
    • The breach itself is harmful.

    ⭐ Driver v CPS [2022] EWHC 2500 (KB)

    What it says:

    • Damages awarded for misuse of personal data without requiring proof of distress.

    ⭐ Brown v Metropolitan Police [2019] EWHC 2046 (Admin)

    What it says:

    • Damages awarded for breach of data rights even where distress was modest or not medically evidenced.
    ⭐ 4. Why this matters for you

    Your judge has taken the narrowest possible view:

    “No distress = no damages.”

    That is not the law.

    The correct legal position is:

    ✔ A breach of data protection rights is itself a compensable harm

    (Gulati, Lloyd, Driver)

    ✔ Distress is not required

    (Gulati)

    ✔ Distress does not need medical evidence

    (Vidal‑Hall, TLT)

    ✔ Damages can be awarded for loss of control alone

    (Gulati, Lloyd)

    ✔ Damages can be awarded even where distress is minimal or unproven

    (TLT, Driver)

    Your judge has ignored all of this.

    ⭐ 5. So yes — damages can be awarded even where no distress is proven

    This is the answer to your question.

    And it is the strongest ground of appeal you have.

    Because she:

    • accepted the breach
    • accepted liability
    • accepted unlawful processing
    • but refused damages because you didn’t prove distress

    …she has misapplied binding case law.

    ⭐ 6. The appeal argument in one sentence

    “The judge erred in law by treating distress as a prerequisite for damages, contrary to Gulati, Lloyd, TLT, and Driver, which establish that loss of control over personal data is itself a compensable harm.”

  • Bazarius
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    edited 10 June at 5:53PM

    Bah! Did you have to pay their costs ?

  • ChirpyChicken
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    Whilst I admire your determination I think you should move on

  • Did you know - and I'm betting you don't - that pressing cntrl, windows and L on the keyboard gets a programme where the spoken word is transcribed on a rolling basis? You can even use it alongside movies etc to add subtitles for words as they are spoken.

    So I have the full spoken word transcribed now but really can't use it without caution as I still need the written judgement for the N164 appeal authorisation to refer to specific paras in it.

    However I believe that what was said was basically what the judge had written for her verdict so I have some useful parameters to work with in the meantime.- and they are compelling in their content.

    Quite apart from the lack of damages award there was a failure to award fixed costs which are given at the verdict of guilty of the dpa breach. The lack of explanation for that is fatal.

    The rest of my appeal request will follow as soon as I have the written judgement,

  • Coupon-mad
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    edited 12 June at 12:53PM

    You aren't allowed to record hearings at all, so do not mention that anywhere! Possible contempt of court rules.

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