Parking large vehicles

Car_54

Okell said:

Car_54 said:

Okell said:

Martin_the_Unjust said:

Baldytyke88 said:

Martin_the_Unjust said:

…and you have someone on the internet complaining about your minibus parking on the pavement.

pavements are for people.

The complaint wasn't about parking on the pavement, it was a complaint about a large vehicle parking close to an exit, so blocking the view of vehicles exiting.

Yes I know, I was just pointing out that it is also unprofessional and almost certainly illegal to park on the pavement.

i was suggesting that it would perhaps be better to suggest to your friend that they park correctly in future.

I'm not sure that it's necessarily illegal to park on the pavement anywhere, but I am fairly sure it's a civil parking offence to park on the pavement in London (unless the local council has disapplied in respect of certain streets the London-wide ban on pavement parking) and in Scotland.

It's illegal in London - Greater London Council (general Powers) Act 1974, section 15. It applies to "any vehicle", so includes cyclists.

I still don't think it's necessarily illegal, even in London.

It's a decriminalised parking offence so it's unlawful and not permitted by the law, but it isn't a criminal offence, so it's not illegal.

If it amounted to obstruction it might be a criminal offence and would therefore be illegal

The law doesn't actually "decriminalise" offences, it simply allows them to be dealt with outside the criminal justice system. In particular, the law [Traffic Management Act 2004 s72(3(b))] prohibits issuing a civil penalty "where the conduct is the subject of criminal proceedings or of a fixed penalty notice". So the police can still take action, should the fancy take them.

The opposite also applies: if a civil penalty has been issued, the police can't act.

In any event, the term the term "illegal" is not confined to criminal offences, and is generally interchangeable with "unlawful". I once listened to a lawyer friend explain a subtle difference, but I (and others) had lost the will to live before the end.

Grumpy_chap

Baldytyke88 said:

I had a smaller van 20 years ago and others attitude was, please don't park it there, when it was legally parked.

There are many more larger vans these days, maybe there needs to be new rules?

Some people will just park their van wherever they wish. 
Most of the time they'll just be an inconsiderate  nuisance. 
One day, someone who parked their van on the pavement and blocking the line of sight from the vehicular exit of a gym will have to have on their conscience for the remainder of their days the fact that a driver, despite being extremely cautious and careful, while exiting that gym car park collided with a 7-year old boy who just passed his cycling proficiency test a day before and was being allowed to cycle to the sweetshop as a treat / reward that he never gets to enjoy.

sheramber

So you are happy for one of your vehicles to park inconsiderately rather than find a more appropriate place to park.

Not the best public image.

Grumpy_chap

Highway Code Rule 242
"You MUST NOT leave your vehicle or trailer in a dangerous position or where it causes any unnecessary obstruction of the road."

Highway Code Rule 244
"You MUST NOT park partially or wholly on the pavement in London or Scotland. Exceptions are allowed in limited circumstances. You should not park partially or wholly on the pavement elsewhere unless signs permit it."

Highway Code Rule 246
"Goods vehicles. Vehicles with a maximum laden weight of over 7.5 tonnes (including any trailer) MUST NOT be parked on a verge, pavement or any land situated between carriageways, without police permission."

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/waiting-and-parking-238-to-252

HTH

Baldytyke88

sheramber said:

So you are happy for one of your vehicles to park inconsiderately rather than find a more appropriate place to park.

Not the best public image.

People seem to be taking this to heart, I don't own these vehicles; I just work at the same company.

On my estate, when people are playing sports on the fields, there are all types of bad parking

sheramber

Baldytyke88 said:

sheramber said:

So you are happy for one of your vehicles to park inconsiderately rather than find a more appropriate place to park.

Not the best public image.

People seem to be taking this to heart, I don't own these vehicles; I just work at the same company.

On my estate, when people are playing sports on the fields, there are all types of bad parking

But you referred to   'about one of our large minibuses '  not one of your employer's minibuses. Why would people not think it was yours.

Bad parking on your estate doewsn't t make ir okay to park badly there os elsewhere. 

No doubt isf someone was inconvenienced by it they would report it.

Car_54

sheramber said:

Baldytyke88 said:

sheramber said:

So you are happy for one of your vehicles to park inconsiderately rather than find a more appropriate place to park.

Not the best public image.

People seem to be taking this to heart, I don't own these vehicles; I just work at the same company.

On my estate, when people are playing sports on the fields, there are all types of bad parking

But you referred to   'about one of our large minibuses '  not one of your employer's minibuses. Why would people not think it was yours.

Bad parking on your estate doewsn't t make ir okay to park badly there os elsewhere. 

No doubt isf someone was inconvenienced by it they would report it.

He also referred to "my estate". Did you assume he was the Duke of Devonshire?

sheramber

Car_54 said:

sheramber said:

Baldytyke88 said:

sheramber said:

So you are happy for one of your vehicles to park inconsiderately rather than find a more appropriate place to park.

Not the best public image.

People seem to be taking this to heart, I don't own these vehicles; I just work at the same company.

On my estate, when people are playing sports on the fields, there are all types of bad parking

But you referred to   'about one of our large minibuses '  not one of your employer's minibuses. Why would people not think it was yours.

Bad parking on your estate doewsn't t make ir okay to park badly there os elsewhere. 

No doubt isf someone was inconvenienced by it they would report it.

He also referred to "my estate". Did you assume he was the Duke of Devonshire?

No, I assumed he was referring to a housing estate. 

ontheroad1970

Car_54 said:

Grumpy_chap said:

Baldytyke88 said:

I don't have a photo, it's not a road, it's a dropped kerb.

I don't think that is particularly relevant.  If the individual is knowingly parking their van partly on the pavement and in a location that obstructs the view for vehicles exiting a known access & egress point, then the individual is being selfish and inconsiderate by creating an unnecessary hazard and inconvenience to others.  The responsible  and socially aware individual with that vehicle and that observation about the surroundings would park elsewhere.

Quite. It also seems to be driving "without reasonable consideration for other persons using the road or place", i.e. it falls within the legal definition of careless driving.

There is a specific offence for situations like this: Unnecessary Obstruction