Parking large vehicles

Herzlos

So this is just parking next to a dropped kerb leading to a small car park?

Aretnap

Grumpy_chap said:

Herzlos said:

According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukla/1974/24/section/15

"“vehicle” means a mechanically propelled vehicle or a vehicle designed or adapted for towing by, or to be attached to, a mechanically propelled vehicle but does not include a heavy commercial vehicle within the meaning of [F24section 19 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 (heavy commercial vehicles)]. "

So bicycles are not vehicles. I guess an e-bike might be.

We are drifting off topic, but what is the definition of "mechanically propelled"?

The propulsion is generated by mechanical means (petrol engine, electric motor, steam engine etc), as opposed to muscle power.

A bicycle does have a chain and pedals which is a mechanical component I suppose, but legally it's not considered to be mechanically propelled if the actual power driving it is generated purely by the rider.

Grumpy_chap

Baldytyke88 said:

But that would be a road junction, this is just an exit of a gym, it's in England.

The exit from just a gym can still be a junction.  Is this a simple dropped kerb, or something more?
What does the exit look like please?
For reference, here is "just an exit of a gym" near us:

LightFlare

Baldytyke88 said:

Martin_the_Unjust said:

Yes I know, I was just pointing out that it is also unprofessional and almost certainly illegal to park on the pavement.

i was suggesting that it would perhaps be better to suggest to your friend that they park correctly in future.

Parking correctly on the road may cause other motorists more problems, perhaps there should be different rules for large vans/motorhomes and minibuses.

That wouldn’t be parking correctly then

Baldytyke88

Grumpy_chap said:

The exit from just a gym can still be a junction.  Is this a simple dropped kerb, or something more?
What does the exit look like please?
For reference, here is "just an exit of a gym" near us:

I don't have a photo, it's not a road, it's a dropped kerb.

Grumpy_chap

Baldytyke88 said:

I don't have a photo, it's not a road, it's a dropped kerb.

I don't think that is particularly relevant.  If the individual is knowingly parking their van partly on the pavement and in a location that obstructs the view for vehicles exiting a known access & egress point, then the individual is being selfish and inconsiderate by creating an unnecessary hazard and inconvenience to others.  The responsible  and socially aware individual with that vehicle and that observation about the surroundings would park elsewhere.

Baldytyke88

Grumpy_chap said:

I don't think that is particularly relevant.  If the individual is knowingly parking their van partly on the pavement and in a location that obstructs the view for vehicles exiting a known access & egress point, then the individual is being selfish and inconsiderate by creating an unnecessary hazard and inconvenience to others.  The responsible  and socially aware individual with that vehicle and that observation about the surroundings would park elsewhere.

I had a smaller van 20 years ago and others attitude was, please don't park it there, when it was legally parked.

There are many more larger vans these days, maybe there needs to be new rules?

Herzlos

What new rules do there neeed to be? They still apply whatever size the vehicle is.

With the exception that HGV's should be parked overnight in a depot or parking areas and not anywhere residential.

Car_54

Grumpy_chap said:

Baldytyke88 said:

I don't have a photo, it's not a road, it's a dropped kerb.

I don't think that is particularly relevant.  If the individual is knowingly parking their van partly on the pavement and in a location that obstructs the view for vehicles exiting a known access & egress point, then the individual is being selfish and inconsiderate by creating an unnecessary hazard and inconvenience to others.  The responsible  and socially aware individual with that vehicle and that observation about the surroundings would park elsewhere.

Quite. It also seems to be driving "without reasonable consideration for other persons using the road or place", i.e. it falls within the legal definition of careless driving.

Okell

Car_54 said:

Okell said:

Martin_the_Unjust said:

Baldytyke88 said:

Martin_the_Unjust said:

…and you have someone on the internet complaining about your minibus parking on the pavement.

pavements are for people.

The complaint wasn't about parking on the pavement, it was a complaint about a large vehicle parking close to an exit, so blocking the view of vehicles exiting.

Yes I know, I was just pointing out that it is also unprofessional and almost certainly illegal to park on the pavement.

i was suggesting that it would perhaps be better to suggest to your friend that they park correctly in future.

I'm not sure that it's necessarily illegal to park on the pavement anywhere, but I am fairly sure it's a civil parking offence to park on the pavement in London (unless the local council has disapplied in respect of certain streets the London-wide ban on pavement parking) and in Scotland.

It's illegal in London - Greater London Council (general Powers) Act 1974, section 15. It applies to "any vehicle", so includes cyclists.

I still don't think it's necessarily illegal, even in London.

It's a decriminalised parking offence so it's unlawful and not permitted by the law, but it isn't a criminal offence, so it's not illegal.

If it amounted to obstruction it might be a criminal offence and would therefore be illegal