£100 PCN for taking longer than 10 minutes to pay.

Coupon-mad

Eh? I never said to phone anyone!  You don't raise a formal complaint on the phone.

Please don't ask for a template; I advised you what to say in your complaint (email, obviously) and you can Google to read the BBC news and other national press & TV articles about the ban on the 5 minute rule.

Watch those clips FIRST over the weekend, to know what you are talking about in your complaint. Stop rushing.

fisherjim

Ridiculous this is just a greedy scamming PPC making up terms and conditions to catch people out for their own profit.

The landowner was paid for the full time on site in excess, the site has had a "material change" in the terms and conditions, and as stated the 10 minute rule is redundant in this case (even if it was applicable) as the full time on site was paid for.

POPLA, who are at times totally useless, and downright stupid, would agree with the PPC (their paymasters) if the terms and conditions stated you had to pay standing on your head blidfolded, a judge would have more sense!

Lemur2000

Coupon-mad said:

Lemur2000 said:

Coupon-mad said:

When was the incident and when was the POPLA decision? 

Please show us the POPLA decision.

Thanks for your Reply Coupon-Mad, very much appreciated. The date of the Incident was the 26/11/24. The Date of the POPLA decision was 01/05/25. Find attached the POPLA decision. It is long and in three parts

OK, so complain to POPLA that the Assessor has not even paid lip service to the UK wide ban on the '5 minute rule'. He has neither considered that ban nor mentioned it, so this is a procedural error. The BPA and IPC both publicly promised in the national press and on TV that PCNs issued prior to Feb 2025 WOULD be cancelled on appeal to POPLA or the IAS because the term was unfair in law.

Good Morning Coupon-Mad......i have just spoken to POPLA and they say that the amendment 1.1 came into force on the 17th of February. So the PCNs would only be cancelled after this date and not prior........is this correct ?.....

Lemur2000

Umkomaas said:

Lemur2000 said:

Brilliant Thanks Coupon-Mad......i will phone and complain to POPLA right now.....cheers

Coupon-mad said:

Lemur2000 said:

Coupon-mad said:

When was the incident and when was the POPLA decision? 

Please show us the POPLA decision.

Thanks for your Reply Coupon-Mad, very much appreciated. The date of the Incident was the 26/11/24. The Date of the POPLA decision was 01/05/25. Find attached the POPLA decision. It is long and in three parts

OK, so complain to POPLA that the Assessor has not even paid lip service to the UK wide ban on the '5 minute rule'. He has neither considered that ban nor mentioned it, so this is a procedural error. The BPA and IPC both publicly promised in the national press and on TV that PCNs issued prior to Feb 2025 WOULD be cancelled on appeal to POPLA or the IAS because the term was unfair in law.

Brilliant Thanks Coupon-Mad......i will phone and complain to POPLA right now.....cheers

Brilliant Thanks Coupon-Mad......i will phone and complain to POPLA right now.....cheers

A phone call won't work. It must be done in writing. 'Dear Sirs/Yours faithfully', not text-speak 'Hi/Kind regards'!

Ah !     I've just seen this message after i phoned POPLA. Apparently, the amendment 1.1 was bought into force on the 17th of February. She said this means that PCN's are cancelled after this date and not prior.....is this correct ?

fisherjim

Lemur2000 said:

Umkomaas said:

A phone call won't work. It must be done in writing. 'Dear Sirs/Yours faithfully', not text-speak 'Hi/Kind regards'!

Ah !     I've just seen this message after i phoned POPLA. Apparently, the amendment 1.1 was bought into force on the 17th of February. She said this means that PCN's are cancelled after this date and not prior.....is this correct ?

Clearly it is not, and remember a phone call is only worth the paper it is printed on!

Coupon-mad

Lemur2000 said:

Coupon-mad said:

Lemur2000 said:

Coupon-mad said:

When was the incident and when was the POPLA decision? 

Please show us the POPLA decision.

Thanks for your Reply Coupon-Mad, very much appreciated. The date of the Incident was the 26/11/24. The Date of the POPLA decision was 01/05/25. Find attached the POPLA decision. It is long and in three parts

OK, so complain to POPLA that the Assessor has not even paid lip service to the UK wide ban on the '5 minute rule'. He has neither considered that ban nor mentioned it, so this is a procedural error. The BPA and IPC both publicly promised in the national press and on TV that PCNs issued prior to Feb 2025 WOULD be cancelled on appeal to POPLA or the IAS because the term was unfair in law.

Good Morning Coupon-Mad......i have just spoken to POPLA and they say that the amendment 1.1 came into force on the 17th of February. So the PCNs would only be cancelled after this date and not prior........is this correct ?.....

No. Of course not. You phoned them before watching the TV clips that I advised you to slow down and watch first.

I've bolded the bit in my reply where I covered this point about Feb 2025 already. Did you read what I put?

 

Lemur2000

Coupon-mad said:

Lemur2000 said:

Coupon-mad said:

Lemur2000 said:

Coupon-mad said:

When was the incident and when was the POPLA decision? 

Please show us the POPLA decision.

Thanks for your Reply Coupon-Mad, very much appreciated. The date of the Incident was the 26/11/24. The Date of the POPLA decision was 01/05/25. Find attached the POPLA decision. It is long and in three parts

OK, so complain to POPLA that the Assessor has not even paid lip service to the UK wide ban on the '5 minute rule'. He has neither considered that ban nor mentioned it, so this is a procedural error. The BPA and IPC both publicly promised in the national press and on TV that PCNs issued prior to Feb 2025 WOULD be cancelled on appeal to POPLA or the IAS because the term was unfair in law.

Good Morning Coupon-Mad......i have just spoken to POPLA and they say that the amendment 1.1 came into force on the 17th of February. So the PCNs would only be cancelled after this date and not prior........is this correct ?.....

No. Of course not. You phoned them before watching the TV clips that I advised you to slow down and watch first.

I've bolded the bit in my reply where I covered this point about Feb 2025 already. Did you read what I put?

 

Thanks Coupon-Mad.......yes you are correct, i am rushing.........and yes i did read everything you wrote, but thought i would speed up the process by ringing. I will slow down and see if i can find the TV clips and any other information and compile an email.........Thanks

Lemur2000

fisherjim said:

Ridiculous this is just a greedy scamming PPC making up terms and conditions to catch people out for their own profit.

The landowner was paid for the full time on site in excess, the site has had a "material change" in the terms and conditions, and as stated the 10 minute rule is redundant in this case (even if it was applicable) as the full time on site was paid for.

POPLA, who are at times totally useless, and downright stupid, would agree with the PPC (their paymasters) if the terms and conditions stated you had to pay standing on your head blidfolded, a judge would have more sense!

fisherjim said:

Ridiculous this is just a greedy scamming PPC making up terms and conditions to catch people out for their own profit.

The landowner was paid for the full time on site in excess, the site has had a "material change" in the terms and conditions, and as stated the 10 minute rule is redundant in this case (even if it was applicable) as the full time on site was paid for.

POPLA, who are at times totally useless, and downright stupid, would agree with the PPC (their paymasters) if the terms and conditions stated you had to pay standing on your head blidfolded, a judge would have more sense!

Thanks FisherJim.......this gives me more hope....

Lemur2000

Umkomaas said:

If you know you have taken longer than 10 mins to get to the point of paying for your daily parking tariff (and will therefore incur a £100 PCN), why bother paying the parking tariff as the PPC cannot issue 2 PCNs - one for missing the pay-in-10 minutes requirement and one for not paying the tariff. Not that this forum condones 'bilking' (not paying the tariff), but once the £100 is incurred, paying the tariff - as you have found out - makes no difference.

Thanks Umkomaas......understood......thanks for your time in re-writing the reply.......

Coupon-mad

You can find TV clips of the '5 minute rule' change easily. It was only weeks ago.