RTS SHUTDOWN AND THTC

Spoonie_Turtle

NorScot571 said:

I disagree that “all reasonable steps” is a weak obligation.  The preamble says must, in legal terms a much stronger obligation than should or may., There have been unrelated cases in the High Court where “all reasonable steps” has been explored in detail.

You've clearly never had a run-in with the phrase "reasonable adjustments" in the Equality Act 2010!  Just as in that law, the weakness here is in the word "reasonable".

MattMattMattUK

Spoonie_Turtle said:

NorScot571 said:

I disagree that “all reasonable steps” is a weak obligation.  The preamble says must, in legal terms a much stronger obligation than should or may., There have been unrelated cases in the High Court where “all reasonable steps” has been explored in detail.

You've clearly never had a run-in with the phrase "reasonable adjustments" in the Equality Act 2010!  Just as in that law, the weakness here is in the word "reasonable".

Exactly this,the threshold for "reasonable" is actually very low in almost every legal and regulatory implementation. 

THTC and similar tariffs are obsolete, loss making, subsidised by other energy users and will almost certainly be phased out entirely within five to ten years. 

Scot_39

I think from a post a while back here - Ofgem essentially have told supliers they can stop the tariffs as soon as rts lw signal shut off date.

But remains to be seen if that means June - as a recent post in last few days here said still c400k rts meters in use.  Much lower than Elexons last update.

Iirc others with old rmi have reported in posts here - been told - if not upgraded - they would be billed single rate svt only.

DE_612183

Personally I think you are fighting a losing battle - not you say you stop the battle!

RTS that dictate the internal elements of a customers supply are a thing of the past, probably left over from privatisation.

Are more and more people drop the system and move to a different type of heating the ability to actually maintain and administer such set ups will diminish to the point they are no longer supported - it looks like we are getting to this point now.

I understand that there are about 100k meters still in situ and these are being replaced at the rate of 1000 a day - much too low to remove all - however a large chunk of those may not actually be performing a function that affects the billing.

As you said, when the actual switch off takes place (June or September ) then there will undoubtably some people who won't have got the memo.

doodling

Hi,

You will never get anyone to support a tariff that isn't commercially viable.

If you take your hour by hour consumption for last year and superimpose each day's data onto something like the Octopus Agile pricing for that day, assuming that your heating loads occur during the lowest Agile prices for that day, how much more do you pay? Whilst not exact, that will give you a broad idea whether you have any chance of getting anywhere with a request for a similar tariff as you have now.

QrizB

Notwithstanding your unchanged stance, what tariff have you been put on and what are you actually paying for your electricity now?

Have you looked at alternative tariffs?

> A twin‑element meter can replicate THTC and similar systems

That may be true in a technical sense, in that it would be possible to meter "heat" separately from other household electricity use, but it's not going to change the price of the electricity that you use. If you're expecting to be gives a 24h cheaper-rate supply for panel heaters and the like, you're going to be disappointed.

Have you considered Economy 7 or one of the smart tariffs intended for electrically-heatrd homes?

MattMattMattUK

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/82032372#Comment_82032372

You can keep screaming at clouds, or you can accept the reality that you need to sort out your energy usage and get on a tariff that actually exists, rather than the one you wish exists.

QrizB

I’m already on a real, compliant tariff: that actually exists - the Standard Variable Heating Tariff

There's another forum user - @PZ19 - on exactly that tariff with a dual-element smart meter. And I think they're also with EDF.

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/82024092#Comment_82024092

Scot_39

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/82032372#Comment_82032372

Other suppliers like Ovo were replacing THTC with smets2 e10 meters - fixed 10 hours a day split 3 ways off peak rates.

EDF themselves attempted a more compllex solution - Twin element meters that could bill normal circuits and restricted / heating circuits seperately - but judging by posts from likes of PZ19 here - they still really haven't gotten that right - nearly a year later.

Another supplier Scottish Power -and Ive only seen the one post here - also fitted a twin element meter for some upgrades - and that poster seemed far happier with the upgrade than the 2 or 3 Ive read from EDF (was it PZ19 here - or one of the other threads I read on it - refers to a whole social media group of disgruntled EDF customers iirc) with the twin element solution.

PZ19

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/82032687#Comment_82032687

I am..you’re spot on