PIP reassessment

Robbie64

Congratulations on your award. That's a good outcome.

It's possible that a backdating request (to November 2024) is still being dealt with. What is the date on the letter you have just received with details of your review / award?

NedS

HillStreetBlues said:

Following my review I now have Enhanced for both.Daily living from 9 points to 17; Mobility from 24 to 12
The award is for an ongoing period with just the comment "I decided to award you PIP for a longer time"

Congratulations on the outcome.

What does the above mean in terms of future assessments. Is it a 10 year period, and light touch review, or don't you know?

HillStreetBlues

Robbie64 said:

Congratulations on your award. That's a good outcome.

It's possible that a backdating request (to November 2024) is still being dealt with. What is the date on the letter you have just received with details of your review / award?

Thanks, The letter states "I have increased your award from the 21st March2025 as this is the date you contacted us..."
That is what I would have expected, but I'm happy enough.

NedS said:

HillStreetBlues said:

Following my review I now have Enhanced for both.Daily living from 9 points to 17; Mobility from 24 to 12
The award is for an ongoing period with just the comment "I decided to award you PIP for a longer time"

Congratulations on the outcome.

What does the above mean in terms of future assessments. Is it a 10 year period, and light touch review, or don't you know?

Thanks.
It doesn't state anything about the light touch it does state "We will contact you while you are getting PIP to see if your needs have changed... This will be after 10 June 2035

The irony is that I only put in for a reassessment due to the planned PIP changes (I never had a 4 point, now I have three of them) and today they announced that this to be abandoned in the entirety.

NedS

HillStreetBlues said:

Robbie64 said:

Congratulations on your award. That's a good outcome.

It's possible that a backdating request (to November 2024) is still being dealt with. What is the date on the letter you have just received with details of your review / award?

Thanks, The letter states "I have increased your award from the 21st March2025 as this is the date you contacted us..."
That is what I would have expected, but I'm happy enough.

NedS said:

HillStreetBlues said:

Following my review I now have Enhanced for both.Daily living from 9 points to 17; Mobility from 24 to 12
The award is for an ongoing period with just the comment "I decided to award you PIP for a longer time"

Congratulations on the outcome.

What does the above mean in terms of future assessments. Is it a 10 year period, and light touch review, or don't you know?

Thanks.
It doesn't state anything about the light touch it does state "We will contact you while you are getting PIP to see if your needs have changed... This will be after 10 June 2035

The irony is that I only put in for a reassessment due to the planned PIP changes (I never had a 4 point, now I have three of them) and today they announced that this to be abandoned in the entirety.

Whilst true for now, you never know what changes may be in the pipeline. One thing is for sure, there will be changes in the next 10 years. At least your award is now locked in for another 10 years so you are in the strongest position possible.

HillStreetBlues

NedS said:

Whilst true for now, you never know what changes may be in the pipeline. One thing is for sure, there will be changes in the next 10 years. At least your award is now locked in for another 10 years so you are in the strongest position possible.

I happy admit I was totally wrong about the 4 pointer, I didn't believe there would be enough backbenchers to stand up for disabled people, in my defence the Government thought the same.
I agree I'm in the strongest position possible and grateful for that. What I'm more pleased about is knowing the current Government now can not push though measures based solely on savings (the 4 pointer was a joke, how can you have a points based system when someone with more points might not get an award but a person with less points could)
I think everyone agrees reform is needed but the manner of them matters. I look forward to keeping an eye on the Timms review with the knowledge that backbenchers will hold the Government's feet to the fire to get it right.

Spoonie_Turtle

Not to get too political or to debate the rights and wrongs, but it was my understanding they haven't actually removed the 4-pointer change, just said it won't come into force until after the Timms review.  So they've still left themselves open to being able to bring it in.  It's a stay of execution rather than a pardon, to use a clunky metaphor.

I would be very happy if I've misunderstood and it truly has been completely removed, of course.

HillStreetBlues

Spoonie_Turtle said:

Not to get too political or to debate the rights and wrongs, but it was my understanding they haven't actually removed the 4-pointer change, just said it won't come into force until after the Timms review.  So they've still left themselves open to being able to bring it in.  It's a stay of execution rather than a pardon, to use a clunky metaphor.

I would be very happy if I've misunderstood and it truly has been completely removed, of course.

They will be removing clause 5 (below) at the committee stage.

5 Personal independence payment eligibility
(1) In regulation 5 of the Social Security (Personal Independence Payment)
25
Regulations 2013 (scoring for daily living activities) for paragraph (3)
substitute—
“(3) C has limited ability to carry out daily living activities where, having
undergone an assessment—
(a) C obtains a score of at least 8 points, but less than 12 points, in
relation to daily living activities, and
(b) at least 4 of those points were awarded for a single daily living 30
activity.
(4) C has severely limited ability to carry out daily living activities where,
having undergone an assessment—
(a)
35
C obtains a score of at least 12 points in relation to daily living
activities, and
(b) at least 4 of those points were awarded for a single daily living
activity.
(5) Where—
(a)
40
C was entitled to the daily living component at the standard rate or
the enhanced rate immediately before section 5(1) of the Universal
Credit and Personal Independence Payment Act 2025 (which inserted
this paragraph) came into force,

Law wise it's not delayed it's totally removed.
Every charity opposed the 4 pointer, and more than 120 Labour MPs also opposed it, they only got the Bill though 2nd reading by removing clause 5
The 4 pointer is now a dead duck, whatever you think of the Government they are not that stupid to reintroduce it again.

SpicyParsnip

Hi, hope you don't mind me asking, but was you awarded PIP at the Standard rate and was getting the PIP at the Standard rate until you appealed, and then award you PIP at the higher rate without losing the PIP Standard rate during the appeal period? Hope that makes sense, as due to me being awarded PIP at the Standard rate, my Job Centre advisor has told me that due to my medical conditions, including a recent major spine surgery, has said you should be awarded PIP at the Higher amount giving me eligibility to Mobility component due to being told not being able to drive for some time and the surgery having found damage to spinal cord in lower back causing considerable pain when driving for any more than a short period and sadly damage to bowel control.

Hope that makes sense! 

HillStreetBlues

SpicyParsnip said:

Hi, hope you don't mind me asking, but was you awarded PIP at the Standard rate and was getting the PIP at the Standard rate until you appealed, and then award you PIP at the higher rate without losing the PIP Standard rate during the appeal period? Hope that makes sense, as due to me being awarded PIP at the Standard rate, my Job Centre advisor has told me that due to my medical conditions, including a recent major spine surgery, has said you should be awarded PIP at the Higher amount giving me eligibility to Mobility component due to being told not being able to drive for some time and the surgery having found damage to spinal cord in lower back causing considerable pain when driving for any more than a short period and sadly damage to bowel control.

Hope that makes sense! 

I already had enhanced mobility and standard daily living. Kept the enhance mobility and awarded enhanced daily living.
My PIP continued to be paid at  enhanced mobility and standard daily living until a decision was made. As the new decision increase my award, it was backdated to the date I asked for the reassessment. Ending up getting a lump sump for the backdated amount (the difference between enhanced & standard daily living and future payments will be enhanced for both.

Spoonie_Turtle

SpicyParsnip said:

… my Job Centre advisor has told me that due to my medical conditions, including a recent major spine surgery, has said you should be awarded PIP at the Higher amount giving me eligibility to Mobility component due to being told not being able to drive for some time and the surgery having found damage to spinal cord in lower back causing considerable pain when driving for any more than a short period and sadly damage to bowel control.

Hope that makes sense! 

Entitlement to the mobility component is based on physical ability to walk, not driving ability, and on cognitive ability to plan and follow journeys.

(It could be good to start your own thread to get further advice - unfortunately many Jobcentre employees are either ignorant or misinformed about benefits so do not take their advice without first checking they're correct.)

HillStreetBlues said:

Spoonie_Turtle said:

Not to get too political or to debate the rights and wrongs, but it was my understanding they haven't actually removed the 4-pointer change, just said it won't come into force until after the Timms review.  So they've still left themselves open to being able to bring it in.  It's a stay of execution rather than a pardon, to use a clunky metaphor.

I would be very happy if I've misunderstood and it truly has been completely removed, of course.

They will be removing clause 5 (below) at the committee stage.

5 Personal independence payment eligibility
(1) In regulation 5 of the Social Security (Personal Independence Payment)
25
Regulations 2013 (scoring for daily living activities) for paragraph (3)
substitute—
“(3) C has limited ability to carry out daily living activities where, having
undergone an assessment—
(a) C obtains a score of at least 8 points, but less than 12 points, in
relation to daily living activities, and
(b) at least 4 of those points were awarded for a single daily living 30
activity.
(4) C has severely limited ability to carry out daily living activities where,
having undergone an assessment—
(a)
35
C obtains a score of at least 12 points in relation to daily living
activities, and
(b) at least 4 of those points were awarded for a single daily living
activity.
(5) Where—
(a)
40
C was entitled to the daily living component at the standard rate or
the enhanced rate immediately before section 5(1) of the Universal
Credit and Personal Independence Payment Act 2025 (which inserted
this paragraph) came into force,

Law wise it's not delayed it's totally removed.
Every charity opposed the 4 pointer, and more than 120 Labour MPs also opposed it, they only got the Bill though 2nd reading by removing clause 5
The 4 pointer is now a dead duck, whatever you think of the Government they are not that stupid to reintroduce it again.

That sounds good but I'm afraid I will only fully believe it when they've actually taken it out.  Intentions and plans seem to count for less and less in politics these days.