Full Fibre Question

JazF

I have Sky Superfast broadband currently but noticed their price for full fibre is cheaper. 

So here is my question…
I live in a terraced house. The connection for fibre has been added to all of the houses in the street at the front. However my main telephone line comes in at the back of the house ( the telegraph pole is right behind my house) and is in an upstairs bedroom at the rear of the property. 

So if the fibre connection comes into the front of the house will it need to be connected to the main phone socket and if so how can this be done without a very long cable?
Would appreciate any advice. 

TadleyBaggie

Full Fibre doesn't use the existing telephone wiring or socket. They will almost want to locate the fibre equipment at the closest point to where the fibre on the outside is located.

JazF

Thanks @TadleyBaggie I didn’t know that.
 It is one of the reasons I have been put off from going full fibre.

iniltous

Are you sure the FTTP equipment has been provided at the front if the property if the existing copper pair infrastructure is at the rear ? 

More often than not , the same infrastructure that the copper service is delivered from is utilised for FTTP , so it would be unusual for the pole at the rear not to have the FTTP equipment on it , if copper service was delivered from it .

If you are correct , and the FTTP equipment is at the front ,  have they put up new poles at the front when poles already existed at the rear , or did poles exist at the front and rear , it’s just your copper service was from the rear and could have been from the front , or has new underground infrastructure been provided at the front ? 

As stated the existing copper service is effectively redundant once FTTP is installed, so the master socket etc are irrelevant, if you wanted the ONT at the rear when the service comes in from the front , chances are the installer will refuse to run a very long internal cabling front to back , with being a terrace property then there is no cable on exterior wall option, that could be used on a semi or detached house in the same situation.

If the ONT were installed near the front of the property, you can run an Ethernet cable yourself from the front to rear and connect your router at the rear of the property…..Openreach will try and accommodate what customers want , but won’t take hours to run a cable internally , but ultimately if someone ordered FTTP and couldn’t agree with the installer where the ONT will be fitted , you just refuse installation and get the order cancelled, it’s no big deal 

JazF

We had teams in the area about a year ago installing connections to the front of all of the houses which were underground @iniltous if that makes a difference?
And I would be happy for the connection to be at the front of the property. It is just at the rear as that was how it was situated when we moved in. 

iniltous

Upgrading a previously overhead area with underground service is pretty expensive so it’s very unusual, but as stated, if the entry is at the front chances are the ONT will have to be at the front as well , you can use powerline type adapters to connect the ONT to the router if it’s  in different room, or relocate the router to the front near to the ONT  ….the old wire from the pole and master socket etc are not used once on FTTP 

JazF

You may be right @iniltous
Just checked open reach and for my address full fibre is not available. Only fibre to the cabinet (partial fibre) together with copper connection. 

HaroldWhistler

Usually if the Full Fibre is delivered from the telegraph pole, you will see something that looks like a claw there. That's the CBT from which the Fibre would be run to the property. Usually looks something a little like this:




There may be different methods for Openreach to bring the fibre cable for different properties, like ducts, or underground channels etc, or directly from a pole. They don't necessarily need to install the entry point of the new fibre cable at the exact point any old copper cable came through. There might be some flexibility even if the wire is coming from the same pole of say 100m or so.

This is the Openreach guide for how they install at a home:

https://www.openreach.com/help-and-support/full-fibre-broadband-installation-checklist#accordion-b43490109a-item-d91328b77e

Depending on your property, the cable will either run from underground or from a telegraph pole. 

They bring the cable (and may attach to the exterior of the property on the wall) to an External junction box outside the Entry point. Then a small (new) fibre wire comes from that into the house to a new internal box (think of it as your new Master socket) called the ONT. The old telephone Master socket is not used. The ONT itself needs to be plugged in to a power socket with a plug.

You then connect your Internet Router to your ONT. It will probably look something like this on the inside wall:

finbaar

iniltous said:

Upgrading a previously overhead area with underground service is pretty expensive so it’s very unusual, but as stated, if the entry is at the front chances are the ONT will have to be at the front as well , you can use powerline type adapters to connect the ONT to the router if it’s  in different room, or relocate the router to the front near to the ONT  ….the old wire from the pole and master socket etc are not used once on FTTP 

That's what happened to us in Cumbria. We're in an old house and we had a phone line provided by a telegraph pole. Fibrus (through Viberoptix) dug up all the roads to lay FTTP. It was, for me anyway, very exciting. What wasn't exciting was the final night of digging, drilling and rolling to finish the job on our road that finished at about 01:45. Still the gigabit speeds were worth the pain.