Help with accrued holiday is this right or wrong

Teddy080522

sheramber said:

Does any body else part time?

If there is, how do their holidays work out?

Do  any if your colleagues understand how the holidays are worked out?

Everyone works at different sites so I never see any one

Teddy080522

lincroft1710 said:

400ixl said:

So no one in the organisation can have any holiday in January as no one will have accrued any holiday.

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As employers can dictate when holiday may be taken, this is perfectly feasible

All I want to know,is the way he is saying that it's upto me to work out my annual leave and I need to look at my wage slip each month to see what I have accrued by the end of each pay period,I did email him still waiting for a response to ask,that if I have only earned 1 days holiday by the end of Jan,that I will have to work til maybe june just to even gain  6 days holiday and wouldn't that be the same for everyone else in the company taking the same amount off around the same time,then when I've taken them 6 days for example I've earned,I'd have to work another 6 months to even gain another 6 days that's 12 days by December,considering by contact says 28 days excluding the 8 days for bank hols,when will I be able to take the remaining 8 days as the year will be up and restart again,or am I completely misreading it,that's why I am so confused I am not getting any clear or direct answers,just that I am a part time worker,and he is not telling why or how it's being worked out

Teddy080522

Savvy_Sue said:

When you were paid holiday pay, was it for 4.5 hour days, or more than usual?

The 10 days I took off,I got paid the 4.5hrs I work each day,the 8 days I took off which were approved,again had no contact from anyone saying I had no annual leave but again no one contacted me,I then took the 8 days off,received by pay for the 8 days I was expecting,I received zilch,nothing 

Teddy080522

Sarahspangles said:

Teddy080522 said:

Sarahspangles said:

28 days is the minimum amount for someone working full time. For someone who doesn’t need to work bank holidays it’s normally 20 days plus 8 bank holidays. Are you sure the words ‘pro rata’ or something like that aren’t used in your contract? If so, your unpaid leave last year would be explained.

Yes it does say on contract if part time it is worked out pro rata,but my problem is for example if I wanted 5 days holiday in February,I cannot take it as I wouldn't of accrued enough holiday and will have to work 5 or 6 months to even gain that 5days holiday,yes bank hols are included in 28 days,so in the past I have always just booked 20 days and leave the 8 days bank hols

Every employer is different. I don’t think any of the arrangements you are describing are unique. In the past I’ve certainly had roles where they don’t allow leave to be taken until you’ve accrued it, when you’re still in your probation period. After that it’s by negotiation but they don’t have to agree if they can’t cover the absence. Your employer also allows you to take unpaid leave so maybe that’s your option?

There are fewer people in HR and admin roles nowadays because systems are automated. In your case it sounds like the employer keeps track of leave entitlement by having this on your payslip. Presumably you put in a time sheet of some kind so they know what you’ve built up versus what you’ve used.

I currently work out my own leave entitlement, and keep track of it. I think this is more common in health and social care work with complicated shift arrangements and cover needed over holiday periods.

Yes,I have an app,that I scan in with which tracks when I scan in and when I scan out

Savvy_Sue

I think he's wrong, but in your position I think I'd join a trade union and get their support.

It's clearly daft that you can't ever take leave you have not accrued (although during a probation period you may not be allowed to), and IMO you should accrue 28/12 days per month, and if you multiply that by the 4.5 hours you work each day it will tell you how many hours that is.

I get 10.5 hours per month.

If you look back at all your payslips, does your leave entitlement track properly, going up each month you don't take leave?

General_Grant

So nobody had New Years Day holiday as they hadn't accrued that time?  Or they weren't paid for it?

Teddy080522

General_Grant said:

So nobody had New Years Day holiday as they hadn't accrued that time?  Or they weren't paid for it?

So I booked 18 days altogether at once in August last year,which was all approved i had 10 days off in October was paid no problem,I went back to work for 17 days,then took the remaining 8 days in Nov I booked,I received my wage slip the end of nov and didn't have the 8 days pay in my wage slip which is what i was expecting,I  was told I had 0 days left thats why I wasn't paid.this is what I have been querying since the end of November,he takes ages to get back to me,I then booked a further 2 days annual,so the 10 days the 8 days + 2 days altogether is 20 days,the 2 days I booked off over Christmas,I asked if I could takes these,I was told to look at my wage slip and the accrued bit at the bottom to see if I had enough,I was told the 2 days would be taken out my 2025 annual leave 

General_Grant

General_Grant said:

So nobody had New Years Day holiday as they hadn't accrued that time?  Or they weren't paid for it?

From your reply, it appears that people are allowed to take bank holidays (in this case NYD) before they have accrued them.

Savvy_Sue

Teddy080522 said:

General_Grant said:

So nobody had New Years Day holiday as they hadn't accrued that time?  Or they weren't paid for it?

So I booked 18 days altogether at once in August last year,which was all approved i had 10 days off in October was paid no problem,I went back to work for 17 days,then took the remaining 8 days in Nov I booked,I received my wage slip the end of nov and didn't have the 8 days pay in my wage slip which is what i was expecting,I  was told I had 0 days left thats why I wasn't paid.this is what I have been querying since the end of November,he takes ages to get back to me,I then booked a further 2 days annual,so the 10 days the 8 days + 2 days altogether is 20 days,the 2 days I booked off over Christmas,I asked if I could takes these,I was told to look at my wage slip and the accrued bit at the bottom to see if I had enough,I was told the 2 days would be taken out my 2025 annual leave 

So I go back to whether or not your leave entitlement appears to be tracking correctly on each payslip. 

I'd be getting close to raising a grievance, BUT how much do you want to continue working here? It's unlikely to endear you to him, which is why I suggested the union. 

chrisbur

As far as the minimum legal holiday entitlement is concerned the requirement to accrue your holiday before you take it can only be applied to your first year of employment.

https://www.gov.uk/holiday-entitlement-rights/calculate-leave-entitlement

"
Accrual system

For regular hours workers, annual leave begins to build up (‘accrue’) as soon as they start their job. An employer can use an accrual system to work out a worker’s leave during the first year of the job. Under this system, a worker gets one-twelfth of their leave in each month."

However I do agree with Savvy_Sue a grievance may not be in your best interest.