2 and a half grand for a 5090.

SneakySpectator

This is just getting silly now. I have a pretty decent gaming rig and my entire build was less than this. Think I'll be sticking with my 4070 for the next 5+ years then.

MattMattMattUK

The FE and a handful of AIB cards are at the £2k MSRP which I would be happy to pay, ideally for the FE. 

I currently have a 3080 but the rest of the PC ready for the 5090 when I can get one, 9800X3D, 64GB of fast DDR5, plenty of M.2 on a decent motherboard, good cooling, 4k 160mHz monitor etc.so all of that kit is already around £3k worth, but the GPU is always the most expensive part of a PC. 

£2k for the 5090 is something I am fine with, but to pay more for an AIB card which is objectively worse is something I am not prepared to do.

forgotmyname

The 90 cards are just a if you can afford it card, the 80 cards are generally the gaming cards.  It was just the shortages during lockdown
that gamers started  buying the 90 cards because there was nothing else left on the shelves.

Buy the FE 80's cards unless you have a business use for the 90?

booneruk

Over 1 & 2k respectively for these cards is a rip off. There's clear price gouging going on across all the retailers - all the sub 1&2k models went in a flash and I may be cynical, but I doubt we'll see restocks of those any time soon.

If I buy one, it will be the 5080FE if I'm lucky enough to see a drop. I too have a 3080fe, and it will do for now until some sense returns.

HillStreetBlues

Would it play Hearts?

MattMattMattUK

forgotmyname said:

Buy the FE 80's cards unless you have a business use for the 90?

I have a geek case for a 5090 and it has some work benefits, although I cannot justify putting it through my business. Getting 5080 FE is probably going to be impossible for several months, I actually think it will be easier to get a 5090 FE because of the higher price point so there will be fewer buyers. 

booneruk said:

Over 1 & 2k respectively for these cards is a rip off. 

Not really, in terms of performance the 5090 is a halo product, it is priced accordingly and £1k for the 5080 makes sense performance wise. 

booneruk said:

There's clear price gouging going on across all the retailers - all the sub 1&2k models went in a flash and I may be cynical, but I doubt we'll see restocks of those any time soon.

There is not price gouging, there is just no stock. Estimates were that there were less than 100 5080 and 5090 FE cards available in the UK at launch and probably only 1-2k units in total with the AIB cards added in. They sold out in a few seconds, probably to scalpers using bots. The AIB cards is the part I do not understand, why would I want to pay more for something that is objectively worse than the FE card, probably time for Nvidia to start hugely ramping up FE production and scaling back AIB cards, with their market share they could effectively afford to abandon AIB entirely. 

SneakySpectator

MattMattMattUK said:

forgotmyname said:

Buy the FE 80's cards unless you have a business use for the 90?

I have a geek case for a 5090 and it has some work benefits, although I cannot justify putting it through my business. Getting 5080 FE is probably going to be impossible for several months, I actually think it will be easier to get a 5090 FE because of the higher price point so there will be fewer buyers. 

booneruk said:

Over 1 & 2k respectively for these cards is a rip off. 

Not really, in terms of performance the 5090 is a halo product, it is priced accordingly and £1k for the 5080 makes sense performance wise. 

booneruk said:

There's clear price gouging going on across all the retailers - all the sub 1&2k models went in a flash and I may be cynical, but I doubt we'll see restocks of those any time soon.

There is not price gouging, there is just no stock. Estimates were that there were less than 100 5080 and 5090 FE cards available in the UK at launch and probably only 1-2k units in total with the AIB cards added in. They sold out in a few seconds, probably to scalpers using bots. The AIB cards is the part I do not understand, why would I want to pay more for something that is objectively worse than the FE card, probably time for Nvidia to start hugely ramping up FE production and scaling back AIB cards, with their market share they could effectively afford to abandon AIB entirely. 

Can you explain why AIB cards are worse? I was under the impression that companies like asus and msi actually ramped up the default cards, essentially overclocking them so they are better. Like the classic ROG Strix versions are the most powerful versions of these type of cards?

booneruk

The nvidia models are a work of engineering brilliance. The AIBs seem to just revise the design of some old cooler and slap it on. There are some good videos from various youtubers deep-diving into the nvidia card builds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p0MEy8BvYY

booneruk

MattMattMattUK said:

booneruk said:

Over 1 & 2k respectively for these cards is a rip off. 

Not really, in terms of performance the 5090 is a halo product, it is priced accordingly and £1k for the 5080 makes sense performance wise. 

When you can get the 5090FE for £1950 (when its in stock), anything above 2k of lesser quality feels like a rip off!

booneruk

MattMattMattUK said:

booneruk said:

There's clear price gouging going on across all the retailers - all the sub 1&2k models went in a flash and I may be cynical, but I doubt we'll see restocks of those any time soon.

There is not price gouging, there is just no stock. 

I'm almost positive I saw a sub £1k model in stock for a few seconds, before it vanished. A few hours later it was back on pre order for £1100-1200

MattMattMattUK

SneakySpectator said:

MattMattMattUK said:

forgotmyname said:

Buy the FE 80's cards unless you have a business use for the 90?

I have a geek case for a 5090 and it has some work benefits, although I cannot justify putting it through my business. Getting 5080 FE is probably going to be impossible for several months, I actually think it will be easier to get a 5090 FE because of the higher price point so there will be fewer buyers. 

booneruk said:

Over 1 & 2k respectively for these cards is a rip off. 

Not really, in terms of performance the 5090 is a halo product, it is priced accordingly and £1k for the 5080 makes sense performance wise. 

booneruk said:

There's clear price gouging going on across all the retailers - all the sub 1&2k models went in a flash and I may be cynical, but I doubt we'll see restocks of those any time soon.

There is not price gouging, there is just no stock. Estimates were that there were less than 100 5080 and 5090 FE cards available in the UK at launch and probably only 1-2k units in total with the AIB cards added in. They sold out in a few seconds, probably to scalpers using bots. The AIB cards is the part I do not understand, why would I want to pay more for something that is objectively worse than the FE card, probably time for Nvidia to start hugely ramping up FE production and scaling back AIB cards, with their market share they could effectively afford to abandon AIB entirely. 

Can you explain why AIB cards are worse? I was under the impression that companies like asus and msi actually ramped up the default cards, essentially overclocking them so they are better. Like the classic ROG Strix versions are the most powerful versions of these type of cards?

A 5080 FE costs £979, the AIB cards cost £1,200-1,800, the 5090 FE costs £1,979 and the AIB cards cost £2,499-3,399. The tech reviews show no thermal throttling on the 5080 FE or 5090 FE even when hammered on synthetic benchmarks. The bottom end of that price is with zero overclocking, but because of extra fans that are not needed and flashing lights they use more power for no extra performance. 

Some AIB cards are overclocked, at the absolute top end that is around 10% overclocking but with an increase of 30-50% in power usage depending on if their are air cooled or use an AIO water cooler, however that 10% overclocking improves performance by 5% at most and often less. Now you can also overclock an FE card, even with the stock cooling solution one can probably get to 5% without issues, or if one is a hardcore overclocker they will be using full water cooling, in which case they will be stripping the card anyway and maybe getting a 15% max overclock for 5-7% boost to performance, but that will only cost them a few hundred pounds to fit themselves. 

An AIB card costs more, 20-80% more, it uses more power and it leads to negligible performance gains, the increase in FPS is something that almost no one would notice, certainly not someone with a VRR monitor and who spending £1-3k on a GPU does not have a VRR monitor (and lacks common sense if they do not).