Self Service Till Checkout Cameras- Is the Close Surveillance they force on us even Legal ?

ThumbRemote

roytom2 said:

The obvious win win  solution is for you to do your shopping in Waitrose

The invasion of the discounters have made everything horrible. Everything has been cheapened and we're all suffering.

'All suffering' - except for the people who can afford to feed themselves because of the price cutting of the discounters. 

the_lunatic_is_in_my_head

ThumbRemote said:

'All suffering' - except for the people who can afford to feed themselves because of the price cutting of the discounters. 

You'd think an advance society would have greater aspirations than providing cheap, poor quality food to those who can't afford to eat.

RefluentBeans

roytom2 said:

The obvious win win  solution is for you to do your shopping in Waitrose

Not really. My local Waitrose - that's definitely going downhill - has predominately self checkouts with video recording shown on a screen in front of you. There's also nasty little warning notices at each self checkout about being watched - so don't nick anything. Also there's notices saying shoplifting is ruining everything - I doubt the shoplifters could care less about all this as they have no intension of reading warnings, it just racks off honest shoppers who feel they are being wrongly suspected of theft.
I got stopped the other day coming out of a Sainsburys Superstore because I hadn't bought anything there - I went in to check the price of Seville oranges - and I was carrying a bag (with relevant receipts) of just 2 products from other stores. I'm in my 70s and that's only the second time ever I've been challenged coming out of a shop.
How did things get like this? The invasion of the discounters have made everything horrible. Everything has been cheapened and we're all suffering.

From working retail - theft happens at all ages. Kids tend to steal ‘petty’ things that they want but not enough to get into ‘serious’ trouble. Same with teenagers realistically. It’s the professional shoplifters, who normally dress quite well, make idle chit chat, and then when your guard is down, fleece you. 

The thing is though, with food shopping for example, if people wanted to go back to the ‘good old days’ then they would be costs to that. Butchers do cost money - there’s a reason people generally prefer shopping at Tesco over butchers. The reason is clear - money. Butcher meat will be better quality, you’ll get a better service and you’ll be supporting a local business. But unless you buy in bulk, then 1 chicken breast will cost you more. 

I’m not at all saying that we should put up and shut up, but if you want reform people may actually want to get off the internet forums and reading sensationalised headlines and speak to their MP’s about changes. 

powerful_Rogue

the_lunatic_is_in_my_head said:

ThumbRemote said:

'All suffering' - except for the people who can afford to feed themselves because of the price cutting of the discounters. 

You'd think an advance society would have greater aspirations than providing cheap, poor quality food to those who can't afford to eat.

I often shop at Aldi/Lidl etc and can say the food they supply at very reasonable prices certainly isn't poor quality.

Pollycat

powerful_Rogue said:

the_lunatic_is_in_my_head said:

ThumbRemote said:

'All suffering' - except for the people who can afford to feed themselves because of the price cutting of the discounters. 

You'd think an advance society would have greater aspirations than providing cheap, poor quality food to those who can't afford to eat.

I often shop at Aldi/Lidl etc and can say the food they supply at very reasonable prices certainly isn't poor quality.

+1 to this (Aldi).

the_lunatic_is_in_my_head

powerful_Rogue said:

the_lunatic_is_in_my_head said:

ThumbRemote said:

'All suffering' - except for the people who can afford to feed themselves because of the price cutting of the discounters. 

You'd think an advance society would have greater aspirations than providing cheap, poor quality food to those who can't afford to eat.

I often shop at Aldi/Lidl etc and can say the food they supply at very reasonable prices certainly isn't poor quality.

You buy meat who knows what the animals have been eating*, same with dairy and eggs. Deli meats are full of nitrates.  

Wheat and oats are sprayed with glyphosate before being harvested, the bread is full of preservatives.

Crops in the UK are covered with plastic sheeting to encourage early germination, breaking down into microplastics in the soil. Microplastics are in pretty much everything. 

Concerns have been raise over spices from India and the types of pesticides used. Rice contains heavy meals. 

Bar a few cupboard staples the rest of the aisles are processed food.

The food we buy at any of the supermarkets is not good quality at all and in fact it is very hard to find decent quality food because it's quantity over quality for the simple reason that proves to be more profitable. 

*Was stuck on the M25 crawling along at 10mph, 4 lanes, thousands of cars pumping out exhaust fumes, right next to the road sheep grazing in a field, would you want to eat that meat? The sheep aren't pets so someone is eating it. 

Wyndham

Grumpy_chap said:

sheramber said:

The empty cafe space in my local Sainsbury's has been empty for three years.

It is used as a dumping space for numerous racks, boxes etc.

That must be unusual.
Usually, a retailer will put any space to some form of revenue generating purpose.
This is for two reasons:
 - A visible dumping space is detracting from the image that the store will wish to portray
 - Even just extra floor space for special bulk-buy offers, or advertising specials is better than nothing.

Was the cafe operated by Sainsbury's or under an external brand.  There is the possibility that the cafe space was leased to "Brand X" for a period and "Brand X" decided to cease trading that location for whatever reason but still obligated to pay the floor space rent until some agreement expires.  Hence, the space sits unused as Sainsbury's are receiving an income from the space and cannot use it to sell bulk buy toilet roll or whatever.

Same applies at my local Sainsbury's. But the cafe space is upstairs, and nothing else is up there, so they can't easily use it as extra retail space. The branding was Sainsbury's itself. The stairs are blocked off with a notice, so I've no idea what it is currently being used for.

The next nearest one is going to lose it's cafe, and that is also upstairs. The next town has a large store, again with a cafe upstairs which I think is still in operation (but I haven't used it for years!)

It could just be how these were built, but I think the stores tend to be reasonably standard so I can't see that it's very unusual. So what do you do with a space like that?

Pollycat

Isn't this getting a little off-topic now...?

People can choose where to shop and what to buy.
I don't mind what other people eat as long as they don't try to lecture me on what I buy with my money.

The OP was complaining about surveillance cameras.
Not the quality of food in Aldi.

Jumblebumble

Pollycat said:

Jumblebumble said:

Pollycat said:

Looking at some of the piled-high trollies in my local Aldi, I just can't imagine anyone being 'forced' to use the self service tills.

I use one of the larger pull along baskets and sometimes I struggle to get all my scanned items on the shelf.
I prefer to use the self service tills as I can scan and pack at my own pace.

Our nearby Aldi Local has only  self service tills
Our nearby  Lidl has only manned tills

We do most shopping in Lidl 
( nothing to do with bakery LOL)

Is that a small store, like a Tesco Metro? Where people often pop in for a bottle of milk or loaf of bread and most people use a basket...
There are 8 self service tills in my local Aldi and a similar number of manned tills (always manned whenever I've been in).
If there were only self service tills, all the 8 trollies would not fit into the space and the queue would be down the length of the shop and back again.

Yes it is a small metro type store as described below
 It used to have all manned tills but they swapped over night which was quite impressive
https://london-post.co.uk/aldi-opens-its-10th-local-store-in-london/

TooOrangeyForCrows

born_again said:

TooOrangeyForCrows said:

Largs said:

These cameras worked in my favour when I left my mobile down in the ASDA Supermarket and I was reunited with it.  This was me taking it out to scan the reward APP and getting harrased. I wish they would scrap these points/rewards APPS and just have low prices like ALDI but that's another story.  

I think the point on the APP is that they know exactly what you are buying. Things like these are pretty much the lead in to The Social Credit System.

Op said
"to top it off I was watched by Big Brother at the till the whole time without my explicit consent."

So APP has nothing to do with their question. App, would be your choice even more so, than using the store.

It wasn't a reply to the Op though was it. 🤦