Penalty Notice Yellow Box Junction Road Works Ahead

paul_c123

An interesting quirk of the law is that the offence is complete if you stop. If you creep forwards very slowly..........

Nobbie1967

paul_c123 said:

An interesting quirk of the law is that the offence is complete if you stop. If you creep forwards very slowly..........

Is it? I thought we’d established that the offence was complete when the car entered the zone when the exit was blocked. No need to stop.

Car_54

Nobbie1967 said:

paul_c123 said:

An interesting quirk of the law is that the offence is complete if you stop. If you creep forwards very slowly..........

Is it? I thought we’d established that the offence was complete when the car entered the zone when the exit was blocked. No need to stop.

No, the offence is only compete  if the accused enters the box AND has to stop due to to stationary traffic.

LightFlare

As entertaining as this is.

The facts are that the OP committed NO offence - the conjecture is irrelevant.

Maybe the wording does need changing (or no) but it is what it is and as such no contravention occurred.

born_again

LightFlare said:

As entertaining as this is.

The facts are that the OP committed NO offence - the conjecture is irrelevant.

Maybe the wording does need changing (or no) but it is what it is and as such no contravention occurred.

Until court rules on the issue. Conjecture is all there is.
We can not say which way the court will decide. Only OP can make the decision to take it that route & argue the case.
Until than, it is a matter of personal opinion on exactly the meaning is.🤷‍♀️

Car_54

born_again said:

LightFlare said:

As entertaining as this is.

The facts are that the OP committed NO offence - the conjecture is irrelevant.

Maybe the wording does need changing (or no) but it is what it is and as such no contravention occurred.

Until court rules on the issue. Conjecture is all there is.
We can not say which way the court will decide. Only OP can make the decision to take it that route & argue the case.
Until than, it is a matter of personal opinion on exactly the meaning is.🤷‍♀️

No court will rule, the OP has not been charged with a criminal offence.

Should the matter reach a tribunal, the OP should win, since no contravention has occurred. The meaning of the law is perfectly clear and unambiguous: it is not a matter of opinion.

Okell

Nobbie1967 said:

paul_c123 said:

An interesting quirk of the law is that the offence is complete if you stop. If you creep forwards very slowly..........

Is it? I thought we’d established that the offence was complete when the car entered the zone when the exit was blocked. No need to stop.

No!  Keep up at the back!

Okell

TooManyPoints said:

I would say it must be simpler to say that you cannot stop in a box junction. No exceptions. There's would then be no requirement for the prosecution to show why the driver stopped (as there is at present).

HillStreetBlues said:

TooManyPoints said:

I would say it must be simpler to say that you cannot stop in a box junction. No exceptions. There's would then be no requirement for the prosecution to show why the driver stopped (as there is at present).

I doubt the pedestrian you run over as you can not stop would agree making it that simple.

HillStreetBlues  -  yes.  Do you remember this one?  Fine for stopping in a box junction — MoneySavingExpert Forum

I think it's disgraceful that - as here - local authorities can send out wholly spurious and legally unjustified PCNs trying to con people into paying up, and even offering the incentive of a reduced amount if they pay up quickly.

I can't understand why it isn't fraud.

The OP went to FTLA  but I don't think it's been resolved yet.

Car_54

Okell said:

TooManyPoints said:

I would say it must be simpler to say that you cannot stop in a box junction. No exceptions. There's would then be no requirement for the prosecution to show why the driver stopped (as there is at present).

HillStreetBlues said:

TooManyPoints said:

I would say it must be simpler to say that you cannot stop in a box junction. No exceptions. There's would then be no requirement for the prosecution to show why the driver stopped (as there is at present).

I doubt the pedestrian you run over as you can not stop would agree making it that simple.

HillStreetBlues  -  yes.  Do you remember this one?  Fine for stopping in a box junction — MoneySavingExpert Forum

I think it's disgraceful that - as here - local authorities can send out wholly spurious and legally unjustified PCNs trying to con people into paying up, and even offering the incentive of a reduced amount if they pay up quickly.

I can't understand why it isn't fraud.

Because the Fraud Act 2006 applies specifically to "a person". Not a Council, or any other body corporate.