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The PPC didn't pay the court fees before the deadline

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  • Coupon-mad
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    edited 17 January at 6:26PM
    OK so send the email urgently, worded the way I suggested.

    Breach of an unless order can't (shouldn't) just see a claim revived after the last Order had already come into effect and had struck the claim out on 5th January, with no caveats or wriggle room on offer. The Defendant is entitled to rely on the first Order. The Overriding Objective as well as fairness and promptness of justice applies.

    If they get away with it you could apply to set aside the next Order because there was no discretion flowing from the Unless Order and applying the Denton tests, the Defendant should not be facing this ALREADY STRUCK OUT claim now. It was already struck out and the C made no application for relief from sanctions therefore the Unless Order could not just be reversed.

    You should add:

    A party can't just phone up!  The true and balanced analogy here is that the Defendant wouldn't have been allowed to just 'phone up and beg forgiveness' if they'd been (for example) too late to defend and got a CCJ.  A N244 application would have been required to set aside the order and the same applies here.

    Barton v Wright Hassall LLP (Neutral citation [2018] UKSC 12) was a Supreme Court case that established that litigants in person (LIPs) - both parties in the extant case - must follow the court rules (and Orders). That is the binding authority that all litigants (regardless of lack of legal representation) are required to comply with Orders of the Court, and lateness is no excuse.
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  • Johnersh
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    I agree that this should technically go back to the DJ for direction.

    It wouldn't surprise me if the DJ lets it slide, but the meaning of the order as drafted is unambiguous.
  • Markmywords
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    OK so send the email urgently, worded the way I suggested.

    Breach of an unless order can't (shouldn't) just see a claim revived after the last Order had already come into effect and had struck the claim out on 5th January, with no caveats or wriggle room on offer. The Defendant is entitled to rely on the first Order. The Overriding Objective as well as fairness and promptness of justice applies.

    If they get away with it you could apply to set aside the next Order because there was no discretion flowing from the Unless Order and applying the Denton tests, the Defendant should not be facing this ALREADY STRUCK OUT claim now. It was already struck out and the C made no application for relief from sanctions therefore the Unless Order could not just be reversed.

    You should add:

    A party can't just phone up!  The true and balanced analogy here is that the Defendant wouldn't have been allowed to just 'phone up and beg forgiveness' if they'd been (for example) too late to defend and got a CCJ.  A N244 application would have been required to set aside the order and the same applies here.

    Barton v Wright Hassall LLP (Neutral citation [2018] UKSC 12) was a Supreme Court case that established that litigants in person (LIPs) - both parties in the extant case - must follow the court rules (and Orders). That is the binding authority that all litigants (regardless of lack of legal representation) are required to comply with Orders of the Court, and lateness is no excuse.
    Is the N244 used to reinstate the claim? does it need to be sent to the defendent too? how much does it cost for this?
  • Coupon-mad
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    edited 18 January at 12:08AM
    Yes, and it costs either £119 (if they tick for a decision without a hearing) or £303 if they tick that they want a specific application hearing.

    You need to fire off an email tomorrow to try to get your POV before the Judge quickly, citing the case law and info that I gave to you (do that even if you've already emailed the court).  You need the Judge to think about Denton and Barton.

    Copy in the C.
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  • Knowledge2Action
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    edited 18 January at 2:51AM
    Just heard from the court's contact centre (which deals with enquiries for a few courts): 2 days after the Claimant called, the court called the Claimant back, and took their payment, so the payment was registered on their system 4 days after the deadline. A bit shocking, as I didn't expect the court to be so unserious about their own order.

    So here is the timeline of what has happened (all recorded in their contact centre's communication record)
    1, On 6 Jan (1 day after the deadline), I called the court's contact centre for an update, and they told me the Claimant hadn't paid the fees.
    2, On 7 Jan (2 days after the deadline), I called again, and they told me the Claimant called the contact centre today asking to pay the trial fee. And they told me to just wait for the court's direction.
    3, On 9 Jan (4 days after the deadline), the court called back the Claimant and took their payment, this was when the payment was registered on their system.

    Previously, I had already sent the court an email as per you guy's (especially Coupon-mad) guidance:

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    Dear Court Staff Member,

    The Claimant is in breach of the Unless Order, which required the hearing fee to be paid by 4.00pm on 5 Janaurary 2025, and they have not applied for relief from sanctions either.
    As per the Unless Order, the Defendant understands that the claim stands struck out by order of the Judge as of 5 January and the hearing is presumably vacated.
    However, since the court staff have been unable to confirm this definitively, I kindly request confirmation that the claim has indeed been struck out as per the terms of the Unless Order.
    I look forward to your confirmation at your earliest convenience.
    Regards,
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    But now, on hearing what has exactly happened, I'm thinking of firing off a formal letter to the court. Can you please help to amend the draft below? Many thanks for your invaluable help!

    Confirmation of Striking Out the Claim and Breach of Unless Order (Claim No. XXXXXXXX)

    Dear Court Staff Member,

    I am writing to bring to the court’s attention the Claimant’s breach of the Unless Order dated XX XX XXXX, which required the hearing fee to be paid by 4.00pm on 5 January 2025. The Claimant failed to meet this deadline, and neither did they apply for relief from sanctions. While they subsequently contacted the court on 7 January to request permission to pay late, their payment was not registered until 9 January, four days after the deadline.

    As per the clear terms of the Unless Order, the claim stands struck out with effect from 5 January 2025, and the hearing should be vacated. The Defendant is entitled to rely on the first Order, which contained no provision for discretion, late payment or reinstatement without proper procedure.

    I respectfully draw the court’s attention to the following points:


    1. Breach of the Unless Order:

    The Claimant’s failure to comply with the Unless Order and its deadline automatically renders the claim struck out. While the Claimant subsequently paid on 9 January, this was outside the specified deadline, and there has been no application for relief from sanctions under CPR 3.9, nor has any N244 application been served upon the Defendant.


    2. Binding Authority from Case Law:

    The Supreme Court case of Barton v Wright Hassall LLP ([2018] UKSC 12) establishes that litigants in person, whether Claimant or Defendant, are required to comply with court rules and orders. Breaching an order without seeking relief from sanctions is not excused by a litigant’s unrepresented status.


    3. Application of the Overriding Objective:

    Fairness, proportionality, and promptness in administering justice under the Overriding Objective of the CPR must be upheld. Allowing this already-struck-out claim to proceed without the Claimant applying for relief undermines these principles and prejudices the Defendant.


    4. Proper Procedure Required for Reinstatement:

    A struck-out claim cannot simply be revived informally. If the Claimant wishes to seek reinstatement, the proper procedure is to file an N244 application and serve it on the Defendant. Such an application is subject to scrutiny under the Denton principles. Without this, the claim remains struck out.


    To ensure fairness, I kindly request the court to confirm that the claim remains struck out in accordance with the Unless Order, as no valid application for relief has been made by the Claimant. Should the Claimant attempt to revive the claim without following proper procedure, I reserve the right to challenge such action and apply to set aside any order that reinstates the claim without due process.

    I have copied the Claimant in on this email for transparency and request that they inform the court immediately if they have made any application that the Defendant is unaware of.

    I look forward to the court’s confirmation on this matter.

    Regards,

  • Le_Kirk
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    The Claimant failed to meet this deadline, and neither nor did they apply for relief from sanctions. 
    I would just change as above.

  • Knowledge2Action
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    edited 2 February at 11:29PM

    Struggling to Get a Response from the Court and Advice Needed

    I’ve tried multiple ways to communicate with the court: sent several emails, made numerous calls, but never get a response. It’s extremely frustrating. And the hearing will be held next Wednesday!

    Take late payment from the Claimant 4 days after the deadline! I guess this must have been done by the court admin staff and I doubt the judge is even aware of what has happened.

    Can anyone advise me what steps I should take next to get this addressed? Talk with the judge at the beginning of the hearing?


  • Coupon-mad
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    Yep. Preliminary matter:

    "The Claim stands struck out, Judge. May I refer you to the Unless Order of Judge xxxxx which confirms this... blah blah..."
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  • ChirpyChicken
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    Some courts are awful to get a response from and worse now they have a central contact centre.
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