Lets setup a petition to ban private parking companies

h2g2

LightFlare said:

1) read and abide by the signs
2) dont overstay
3) ensure the ticket is on display and the reg is corerct - if there is one
4) dont park like a k**b

Could you help me out? I (and my neighbours) got one for parking on land I own (or they own - via leasehold) because an overzealous management company were seduced to stories income on the side and never bothered to check whether who actually owns the land.

The management company have said everything's fair and they have the rights to revoke part of our demised land at will, and the private parking company say they were authorised by the management company and the IPC audited the paperwork.

Since my leasehold says I have the space demised to me to store a roadworthy car (which I read and abide by), are the PPC putting up signs saying otherwise (and charging me and my neighbours in the same situation) very stupid or incorrigible scammers, in your view?

Coupon-mad

Lightflare isn't a regular poster in this board but the right answer is: both.

very stupid AND incorrigible scammers.

fisherjim

"The management company have said everything's fair and they have the rights to revoke part of our demised land at will"

They lied to you!

DullGreyGuy

Coupon-mad said:

- don't have any Amazon deliveries to your home if you are in an estate;

How does getting Amazon deliveries get you a ticket? Amazon dont directly pass on the costs of parking violations. 

Coupon-mad said:

- don't use a vehicle to unload your belongings when moving into a flat or Uni accommodation;

- somehow magic up a permit when you move into a new place, even though it's the PPC which is withholding said permit. 

These are both covered by point 1. When went to uni the halls of residence sent an email saying there was no parking on the grounds without getting a 1 day permit that was £5 and had to be bought in advance. It was clear choice to pay up and park close or not pay and have to walk further with stuff. There wasnt an option to "chance it" as the barrier wouldn't open if you didnt have a permit. If you decide to chance it then you have no grounds for complaint when you roll the dice and get snake eyes. 

When moving into a flat the removal company ask what the parking setup was and they arranged their appropriate permit. When choosing the flat looked into the parking situation and applied for my own permit as soon as the contracts were signed so could it be ready before moving in. On one occasion it didnt turn up for day 1 so knew I had to park elsewhere. Not really something that needs Einstein level thinking. 

Think in 27 years of driving have had 4 parking tickets, 3 for overstaying which is what had happened and once for parking in my own space whilst having a courtesy car. In all but one of the cases I knowingly took a chance so annoyed to get ticketed but it was a fair cop

Coupon-mad

Not everyone uses moving companies. A lot of tenants don't and certainly not Uni students.

It is a normal life expectation to be able to unload at flats.  As found in Jopson v Homeguard, and by the DLUHC (now MHCLG) in the temporarily stalled CoP, unloading or dropping off passengers isn't parking.  This matches the rules on street.

MacPingu1986

Coupon-mad said:

Not everyone uses moving companies. A lot of tenants don't and certainly not Uni students.

It is a normal life expectation to be able to unload at flats.  As found in Jopson v Homeguard, and by the DLUHC (now MHCLG) in the temporarily stalled CoP, unloading or dropping off passengers isn't parking.  This matches the rules on street.

Unfortunately with the volume of car usage in the UK, if you don't regulate and manage parking (including where people can, and cannot park), then other than in  areas of very low population density you get cars parked *everywhere* in ways which cause substantial problems (local parking for high streets taken up by commuters, residential road blocked with parked cars, etc...)

If you don't use a moving company for a flat move and you live in a parking controlled area or development you just apply for the day permit yourself - I've done it a couple of times and it's never been a problem.

With some irony the only time I've had problems moving was when the moving truck couldn't get into my street because of illegally parked cars at the entrance of the road that were blocking access.

KeithP

DullGreyGuy said:

Coupon-mad said:

- don't have any Amazon deliveries to your home if you are in an estate;

How does getting Amazon deliveries get you a ticket? Amazon don't directly pass on the costs of parking violations. 

Once Amazon get a ticket they'll refuse to deliver there again.
Not quite the same thing but inconvenient nevertheless.

Coupon-mad

MacPingu1986 said:

Coupon-mad said:

Not everyone uses moving companies. A lot of tenants don't and certainly not Uni students.

It is a normal life expectation to be able to unload at flats.  As found in Jopson v Homeguard, and by the DLUHC (now MHCLG) in the temporarily stalled CoP, unloading or dropping off passengers isn't parking.  This matches the rules on street.

Unfortunately with the volume of car usage in the UK, if you don't regulate and manage parking (including where people can, and cannot park), then other than in  areas of very low population density you get cars parked *everywhere* in ways which cause substantial problems (local parking for high streets taken up by commuters, residential road blocked with parked cars, etc...)

If you don't use a moving company for a flat move and you live in a parking controlled area or development you just apply for the day permit yourself - I've done it a couple of times and it's never been a problem.

That isn't the case on private land.

If you read my replies here, I'm not saying there should not be any parking management.

What I am saying is that loading/unloading and picking up and setting down passengers is always exempt on street (except in a clearway/red route or bus stop, taxi stand, etc) and it must be the same on private land.

DullGreyGuy

KeithP said:

DullGreyGuy said:

Coupon-mad said:

- don't have any Amazon deliveries to your home if you are in an estate;

How does getting Amazon deliveries get you a ticket? Amazon don't directly pass on the costs of parking violations. 

Once Amazon get a ticket they'll refuse to deliver there again.
Not quite the same thing but inconvenient nevertheless.

Have lived on many estates with parking companies and on roads with council parking controls, have occasionally seen vans get tickets but never then had Amazon say they won't deliver. In typical high density living London the van can be parked there for a fair amount of time with 4 building doors potentially serving hundreds of flats

Coupon-mad said:

Not everyone uses moving companies. A lot of tenants don't and certainly not Uni students.

It is a normal life expectation to be able to unload at flats.  As found in Jopson v Homeguard, and by the DLUHC (now MHCLG) in the temporarily stalled CoP, unloading or dropping off passengers isn't parking.  This matches the rules on street.

Tenants will depend where they are... major cities where furnished flats are common then no. Places where almost everything is unfurnished then it's no different between home owners and non-home owners as a double bed is equally hard to get into a car irrespective of the ownership of a house/flat. 

I'd argue it's normal expectation to follow the rules which means parking near your front door may not be possible. As mentioned, when in halls at uni the carpark was controlled by an automatic barrier. Guess your suggesting you'd have driven through the barrier, across the carpark and onto the lawn to enforce your expectation of being able to unload close to the door of the building?

h2g2

fisherjim said:

"The management company have said everything's fair and they have the rights to revoke part of our demised land at will"

They lied to you!

I know. This is why I've had to get a lawyer involved.

Having said that, if the PPC (or the management company) involved had paid attention to POFA or to the IPCs Code of Conduct they wouldn't have entered a contract in the first place.