Lets setup a petition to ban private parking companies

Emmia

patient_dream said:

Best chat with Angela Raynor who has so far failed to cull these money scammers

We already have a code of practice enshrined in law by the Queen albiet that the scam industry called for a JR

What is Angela so scared of or his she not fit for purpose ???

Ever watch a SLUG move ???
The Parking code of Practice, the Blood scandal and the Post Office scandal

It's called the UK GOVERNMENT

Firstly Angela Raynor isn't a Minister, Angela Rayner is. If you're writing to the former, you'll get nowhere.

Secondly as Elsien observes, the previous government had 14 years to make changes in a whole host of areas, but got bogged down in Brexit and infighting. The current government has been in power for less than 6 months, a good chunk of which has been in parliamentary recess when nothing really moves forward.

Also from the new government perspective, there is relatively recent legislation and a code of practice but various people (like you) don't like it... The problem is, that others (industry, business, your fellow citizens) wouldn't like your proposed option either, so there is an impasse.

In addition, because there is already legislation and a code of practice this will be low down the priority list for changes.

DullGreyGuy

fisherjim said:

Hoenir said:

fisherjim said:

Hoenir said:

Le_Kirk said:

Mr.Generous said:

Having worked in retail I can also see it from the landowners - or business owners - perspective. Imagine running a furniture store with 20 spaces for customers that was 2 minutes from the station. What are they supposed to do when every spece is taken by 8am?

Bollards (and I am not being rude) or gates.

Sure way of driving customers away. 

Scamming PPC's are the other!

Here we go. 

Oh come on it's evidenced here every day!

How's it evidenced here? The fact that people got parking tickets is the evidence that it isn't driving customers away else they wouldn't have been in the car park and wouldn't have gotten a ticket.

LightFlare

DullGreyGuy said:

fisherjim said:

Hoenir said:

fisherjim said:

Hoenir said:

Le_Kirk said:

Mr.Generous said:

Having worked in retail I can also see it from the landowners - or business owners - perspective. Imagine running a furniture store with 20 spaces for customers that was 2 minutes from the station. What are they supposed to do when every spece is taken by 8am?

Bollards (and I am not being rude) or gates.

Sure way of driving customers away. 

Scamming PPC's are the other!

Here we go. 

Oh come on it's evidenced here every day!

How's it evidenced here? The fact that people got parking tickets is the evidence that it isn't driving customers away else they wouldn't have been in the car park and wouldn't have gotten a ticket.

I would tend to agree - I would guess that the majority of drivers avoid getting a ticket in the first place and of the remaining that do get one - a tiny % make their way here.
So not exactly evidence that would have any statistical relevance 


Highstreet/shop decline imo is totally unaffected by any enforcement 

Umkomaas

LightFlare said:

DullGreyGuy said:

fisherjim said:

Hoenir said:

fisherjim said:

Hoenir said:

Le_Kirk said:

Mr.Generous said:

Having worked in retail I can also see it from the landowners - or business owners - perspective. Imagine running a furniture store with 20 spaces for customers that was 2 minutes from the station. What are they supposed to do when every spece is taken by 8am?

Bollards (and I am not being rude) or gates.

Sure way of driving customers away. 

Scamming PPC's are the other!

Here we go. 

Oh come on it's evidenced here every day!

How's it evidenced here? The fact that people got parking tickets is the evidence that it isn't driving customers away else they wouldn't have been in the car park and wouldn't have gotten a ticket.

I would tend to agree - I would guess that the majority of drivers avoid getting a ticket in the first place and of the remaining that do get one - a tiny % make their way here.
So not exactly evidence that would have any statistical relevance 


Highstreet/shop decline imo is totally unaffected by any enforcement 

12 million private parking tickets issued in the past year, making this a £1billion+ skimdustry. Do you think that 12 million motorists make the conscious decision to flout any serious parking conditions?

saajan_12

MattMattMattUK said:

elsien said:

My local council can't afford afford enough traffic wardens to monitor the parking they cover at the moment, let alone any new ones. 

This is something I do not actually understand. My local council claims to not be able to afford traffic wardens, however the revenue stream from enforcing parking revenue would be on the order of thousands of pounds an hour were I live, one week's work for one traffic warden would generate enough revenue to employ several of them for a year or more. I know it would improve over time as behavioural changes kicked in, but knowing how resistant to change the general public are I imagine that would be years before there was any significant improvement in behaviour. 

But the council don't own the land.. so they'd need to rent it from the landowner which would take out a large chunk of the parking revenue. Currently the PPC model seems to work by the normal parking revenue going to the landowner and the enforcement company covering their costs by the PCNs. 

fisherjim

Castle said:

fisherjim said:

This is never going to happen, a council is an authority that issue parking fines under traffic orders, they cannot monitor private land in the same way, and they cannot do both it doesn't work that way.

Ipswich City Council do have an offshoot company called Ipserv that is a facilities company that also manages private parking, they are no better than any other PPC.

The whole sorry industry needs proper regulation to stop the lying, scamming and trapping of motorists with unfair terms and underhand tactics with a managed appeals system that works fairly. So long as the only revenue stream for a PPC is from PCN's they will continue to work every loophole they can.

We hope that change is around the corner.

Ipswich is not a City

Well it should be!

LightFlare

Umkomaas said:

12 million private parking tickets issued in the past year, making this a £1billion+ skimdustry. Do you think that 12 million motorists make the conscious decision to flout any serious parking conditions?

Impossible to say - how many TOTAL parking occurrences are there per year - how many people get multiple "violations" - the answers could make the 12million insignificant in the grand scheme

If you take 12 mill per year and lets say 35mill motorists, then you could argue that a motorist is expected to get a ticket every 3 years. 

I had one in 1994 and that's it and that was a council one as well. And yes - I do use other car parking facilities quite frequently

Stats can tell many stories depending on how you slant them

How many flout knowing they will never have to pay anyway ?

Genuine mistakes - I 100% sympathise with, but It probably wont be long untill the PPCs catch up and remove a lot of the technical "get outs"

if motorists followed 4 simple things, i bet they would be less likely to get pinged:

1) read and abide by the signs
2) dont overstay
3) ensure the ticket is on display and the reg is corerct - if there is one
4) dont park like a k**b

fisherjim

LightFlare said:

if motorists followed 4 simple things, i bet they would be less likely to get pinged:

1) read and abide by the signs
2) dont overstay
3) ensure the ticket is on display and the reg is corerct - if there is one
4) dont park like a k**b

That is the whole point PPC's have no interest in making things simple it makes no money, and their list of pitfalls carefully thought up to catch people out is far greater than your over simplified four.

Add to that the fact that the appeals process is a total farce, where greed puts a blindfold on reason.

patient_dream

And Fisherjim sums it up in a nutshell

Coupon-mad

LightFlare said:

if motorists followed 4 simple things, i bet they would be less likely to get pinged:

1) read and abide by the signs
2) dont overstay
3) ensure the ticket is on display and the reg is corerct - if there is one
4) dont park like a k**b

Yes but you'd have to add quite a few more points, such as:

- don't commit the heinous crime of returning to the same supermarket within 24 hours;

- don't drop off passengers anywhere;

- don't use a vehicle to unload your belongings when moving into a flat or Uni accommodation;

- don't have any Amazon deliveries to your home if you are in an estate;

- somehow magic up a permit when you move into a new place, even though it's the PPC which is withholding said permit. 

That would bring an end to most PPCs.

They only exist to fine people and that's what needs ending along with the IAS & (DPA breach) serial abuse of 24/7 surveillance cameras.