NESO issues first Electricity Capacity Market Notice for two years

mmmmikey

Scot_39 said:

That's what happens when  greens have us trying to rely on unreliable inconsistent  generation sources like wind without storage.

Interconnects currently net 3GW - importing 4 exporting 1 to Ireland


Currently wind generating just 3.1GW of UKs 37 GW demand.

This is the first time we've had a capacity market notice in 2 years. It's been quickly withdrawn and happened at a time when a number of the nuclear power stations are off line for maintenance. And it's only a way of giving capacity market participants notice in plenty of time to allow them to take action to balance the grid in order to prevent unplanned interuptions to supply. In effect, as I understand it, it's just the National Grid giving a few large users notice that they may need to ask them to turn off their aluminium smelters or whatever for an hour later on, as they have previously agreed to do if needs must. 

So everything working in accordance with the plan to balance supply and demand and not a sign of anything untoward. 

Much better than trashing the planet....

(Edit - just to correct that, the Capacity Market Notice is giving "standby" generators notice that they may need to fire up - the "turn off your smelters" is another line beyond that)

Scot_39

Ectophile said:

It's not the green's fault we don't have anywhere near enough storage.  That's market forces.

Yes it is - because they - or our politicians backing the roll out - have essentially predicated the roll out on the cheap - to suit their green net zero agenda - by not inluding a storage requirement - if you like at the grid transformer of each wind farm or solar farm - in the reported costs.

Adding realistic storage costs onto the wind / solar generators wholesale costs - for a day or their rated powers - let alone the not irregualr 1-2 week calm periods that cover parets of UK and rest on N Europe regularly (so influencing the amout and prices available on interconnects too) - may well have stopped the current role out in it's infancy.

And far better non emission based generation sources with far more predictability / consistency - wave, tidal, even nuclear etc - used to replace coal and gas.

bob2302

Scot_39 said:

Ectophile said:

It's not the green's fault we don't have anywhere near enough storage.  That's market forces.

Yes it is - because they - or our politicians backing the roll out - have essentially predicated the roll out on the cheap - to suit their green net zero agenda

Personally I'd much rather risk a few power cuts every few years rather than pay substantially more. Domestic power cuts that avoid the vulnerable  aren't that big a deal IMO. 

wrf12345

Telsa are brilliant at doing massive battery banks for storing solar power but I guess they won't be bothering with the UK...