UKPC parking charge - Horns Road Retail Park

Coupon-mad

Initial Parking?

Penalty?

Felics

Coupon-mad said:

Initial Parking?

Penalty?

Sadly I can't for the life of me find the initial penalty notice that was posted to me.

I've attached the images from online to my last post however.

Coupon-mad

You didn't get a penalty notice. That was my point.  And the fact you aren't dealing with Initial Parking Ltd.

Felics

Coupon-mad said:

You didn't get a penalty notice. That was my point.  And the fact you aren't dealing with Initial Parking Ltd.

Ah, Im with you now sorry.

I've amended the opening - my bad.

Felics

Hi - just wanted to check if the draft in my last post was OK?

Would be grateful if anyone could cast an eye over it to make sure I'm not missing anything

Coupon-mad

You won't win at POPLA with that old wording with half the links not working any more.

Also, I doubt it matters that they don't know who was driving because UKPC usually use the POFA, in which case they can legally hold you liable as keeper.  So that isn't a valid point in your case, given you say you've lost the NTK so you can't even check it to see if it was not POFA worded.  It likely was.

The only thing that might win at POPLA re disabled bays is photos showing no t&cs signs at those accessible bays.  No £100 in view.

Felics

Coupon-mad said:

You won't win at POPLA with that old wording with half the links not working any more.

Also, I doubt it matters that they don't know who was driving because UKPC usually use the POFA, in which case they can legally hold you liable as keeper.  So that isn't a valid point in your case, given you say you've lost the NTK so you can't even check it to see if it was not POFA worded.  It likely was.

The only thing that might win at POPLA re disabled bays is photos showing no t&cs signs at those accessible bays.  No £100 in view.

Thanks - do you think I should take some pics of the T&Cs?

Or just call it a loss and pay the fine?

Coupon-mad

You don't have a fine and nobody here would tell you to pay UKPC!

Neither of what you just said is what I suggested could win.

Felics

Coupon-mad said:

You don't have a fine and nobody here would tell you to pay UKPC!

Neither of what you just said is what I suggested could win.

Forgive me, I know you deal with loads of people like me, but I'm struggling to understand (long month).

The links I've used were from the newbies thread which took me to a post with all the relevant paragraphs. Apologies if I've overlooked another post with updated wording. Also noted, on the POFA point.

As I'm at POPLA stage and you're saying that I could only possibly win by taking pics of the signage which demonstrate the lack of T&Cs RE £100 - is this my only possible route now?

Failing this - i will have to cough up? 

Apologies if I've misunderstood anything. I'm a bit dim today (or most days) so you'll have to spell out anything I am not getting.

Gr1pr

You should have proof read your proposed Popla appeal, especially if the case you read is not recent , sorting out any errors or faulty links 

UKPC are likely to have complied with POFA, so transferring liability from the driver to the keeper, so not being the driver doesn't help 

No landowner authority and poor and inadequate signage are the usual points that can win a Popla appeal , hence why you were advised to obtain pictures for your appeal 

If the Popla appeal fails, there is no requirement for the appellant to pay, its not binding on the appellant, so no you don't HAVE to cough up