Just got UC statement, worse off by £900 ? Mistake?

makavelianz

Uc is calculated monthly, so new calculation every month, based on £4k earnings that's like 48k a year, but your saying 28k, so if you esrn less some months then you will get mu h more UC

blackstar

Newcad said:

There appears to be a missing LCWRA Element of £416.19.

(The deduction for ESA seems to indicate that it is ESA Support Group, although the amount deducted does seem slighly different from what I would expect that could be because it's the first month).

There is no LCWRA Element showing on that UC statement so if it is ESA Support Group you need to raise a query on your journal asking why not.
If they are deducting for ESA Support Group then they should also be paying UC LCWRA Element.

It is contribution based ESA I receive does that explain why?

Spoonie_Turtle

blackstar said:

Newcad said:

There appears to be a missing LCWRA Element of £416.19.

(The deduction for ESA seems to indicate that it is ESA Support Group, although the amount deducted does seem slighly different from what I would expect that could be because it's the first month).

There is no LCWRA Element showing on that UC statement so if it is ESA Support Group you need to raise a query on your journal asking why not.
If they are deducting for ESA Support Group then they should also be paying UC LCWRA Element.

It is contribution based ESA I receive does that explain why?

No.  LCWRA is the UC equivalent of Support Group and you should receive all the elements you're entitled to in the initial calculation regardless of what other benefits you're claiming.

(If your ESA weren't contribution-based it would have stopped 2 weeks after claiming UC.)

Icequeen1

blackstar said:

Thanks will it not be 29th - 28th of every month (Feb is tricky)
Hiw long do they consider a calendar month?

Is there no way to permanently avoid this issue in future? Other than having to raise a RT on the journal? 
Is it possible to work out whixh month we will jave an issue as she gets paid the day before the last working day of every month (checked last year's bankstatment) and the assesment peroid is 29th - 28th.

There is a fix for employers to implement - HMRC's guidance to employers is that if they pay early due to a usual pay day falling on a weekend, they should use the contractual pay date not the actual pay date on the RTI submission to HMRC. HMRC issue similar guidance for Xmas pay dates. 
See https://www.gov.uk/running-payroll/reporting-to-hmrc which says:

When to send your FPS

Send the FPS on or before your employees’ payday, even if you pay HMRC quarterly instead of monthly.

You must enter the usual date that you pay your employees, even if you pay them earlier or later. For example, if you pay your employees early because your usual payday falls on a Bank Holiday, you should still enter your regular payday.

blackstar

Thanks all. We have been speaking with UC via journal and have raised the 3 points of LCWRA, my wife's double payment and the transitional protection. And the fot note.

They said updated the statement but not sure if this is final or they are still sorting it out as this is what it says now.

Also UC said You have been paid twice within one assessment period, I have referred the Issue to our Earnings Invalidation Team to Adjust the Claim. You will be Notified by journal when this has been Done and your claim has been adjusted. The Transitional Protection has been calculated and Your Universal Credit entitlement is not less than your previous benefits, so we have not added an extra payment. Your husbands health journey is currently being fully verified , We are waiting for further Information being sent from ESA (Employment support allowance) at this time. Once fully Verified your Husbands claim will be Updated and Adjusted, Any Monies owed will then be Calculated and paid.

Thanks for letting us know, The Fit note Request is Generic and is Automatically sent when certain details are disclosed. Please ignore the Request and this should drop off once the Claim has been further Verified.

Newcad

Good to see that the LCWRA Element has been added now.

Once the double wages are sorted out things should look a lot better.

PS. I think that they are right that with the LCWRA Element included there will be no TE due. (Unless I have missed something in this fairly complicated thread?) The main discrepancy now appears to be that 2-wages in one AP situation.

blackstar

Newcad said:

Good to see that the LCWRA Element has been added now.

Once the double wages are sorted out things should look a lot better.

PS. I think that they are right that with the LCWRA Element included there will be no TE due. (Unless I have missed something in this fairly complicated thread?) The main discrepancy now appears to be that 2-wages in one AP situation.

Thanks. Hopefully it comes together soon as don't understand how they originally said we were due £15.00 and then added the LCWRA Element of £416 and now it's saying we have a payment of £232? Shouldn't it be £15.00 + £416?

8dayweek

LCWRA replaces one of the Carer Elements, so the increase is £416.19 - £198.31 = £217.88 (added to the prior £15 odd). 

blackstar

I heard that they should either the LCWRA Element or the carers Element depending which is higher. Didn't realise they deducted the carers Element from the LCWRA Element 

Spoonie_Turtle

blackstar said:

I heard that they should either the LCWRA Element or the carers Element depending which is higher.

That's correct.

Didn't realise they deducted the carers Element from the LCWRA Element 

They don't, the 'deduction' in the previous comment was just the calculation to show why your new statement doesn't have a whole extra £400+ difference now the LCWRA element is on there.

A joint claim can have up to two carer elements, or one carer element and one LCWRA.

On your statement it shows two people are caring, but only one element is being paid because the LCWRA element is now being paid as well, so it's replaced the carer element that was in your name.