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Mandatory refund of up to £85k for APP fraud

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  • At what point is there an end to "free banking" as we currently know it? 
    Let's Be Careful Out There
  • GeoffTF
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    Here is a detailed account of the new regulations:
    A note worthy change is that banks will be allowed to delay payments by up to four business days if they suspect APP fraud. That is longer than BACS, which takes 3 days.
  • Nasqueron said:
    M25 said:
    No personal responsibility at all, then? A crazy route to go down.

    How will stupid people learn?
    Is someone's with dementia stupid?
    Someone with dementia should have a relative or carer with power of attorney to stop any sort of financial mistakes
    What if the children don't visit or it's not been spotted yet. To many assumptions for such a flippant catch all comment.
  • Nasqueron
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    Nasqueron said:
    M25 said:
    No personal responsibility at all, then? A crazy route to go down.

    How will stupid people learn?
    Is someone's with dementia stupid?
    Someone with dementia should have a relative or carer with power of attorney to stop any sort of financial mistakes
    What if the children don't visit or it's not been spotted yet. To many assumptions for such a flippant catch all comment.
    We are talking about diagnosed dementia, there is no flippant commentary, at least in my post

    Sam Vimes' Boots Theory of Socioeconomic Unfairness: 

    People are rich because they spend less money. A poor man buys $10 boots that last a season or two before he's walking in wet shoes and has to buy another pair. A rich man buys $50 boots that are made better and give him 10 years of dry feet. The poor man has spent $100 over those 10 years and still has wet feet.

  • Nasqueron said:
    Nasqueron said:
    M25 said:
    No personal responsibility at all, then? A crazy route to go down.

    How will stupid people learn?
    Is someone's with dementia stupid?
    Someone with dementia should have a relative or carer with power of attorney to stop any sort of financial mistakes
    What if the children don't visit or it's not been spotted yet. To many assumptions for such a flippant catch all comment.
    We are talking about diagnosed dementia, there is no flippant commentary, at least in my post
    No...but someone's got a bee in their bonnet.
    I came into this world with nothing and I've got most of it left.
  • Barkin
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    Nasqueron said:
    Nasqueron said:
    M25 said:
    No personal responsibility at all, then? A crazy route to go down.

    How will stupid people learn?
    Is someone's with dementia stupid?
    Someone with dementia should have a relative or carer with power of attorney to stop any sort of financial mistakes
    What if the children don't visit or it's not been spotted yet. To many assumptions for such a flippant catch all comment.
    We are talking about diagnosed dementia
    We? It was only you that brought "diagnosed" into the discussion. Nobody else.

    Is dementia only a condition once it's been formally diagnosed, and not in the days/weeks/months prior to a formal diagnosis? 
  • Barkin
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    edited 26 September 2024 at 3:49PM
    Nasqueron said:
    M25 said:
    No personal responsibility at all, then? A crazy route to go down.

    How will stupid people learn?
    Is someone's with dementia stupid?
    Someone with dementia should have a relative or carer with power of attorney to stop any sort of financial mistakes
    What if the children don't visit or it's not been spotted yet. 
    On the other hand, regular contact can mask a gradual decline - one that may be more easily noticed when contact is infrequent.

    It's far from the black/white situation that some are painting.

    And it's bloody awful. 
  • I'm afriad you have to be down to earth in some things. My granmother gave my mum to her accounts when she turned 70.
  • Rob5342
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    Nasqueron said:
    Nasqueron said:
    M25 said:
    No personal responsibility at all, then? A crazy route to go down.

    How will stupid people learn?
    Is someone's with dementia stupid?
    Someone with dementia should have a relative or carer with power of attorney to stop any sort of financial mistakes
    What if the children don't visit or it's not been spotted yet. To many assumptions for such a flippant catch all comment.
    We are talking about diagnosed dementia, there is no flippant commentary, at least in my post
    No we aren't, the original comment asked if someone with dementia was stupid and you said that anyone with dementia should have a relatuve or carer with power of attorney to stop any sort of financial mistakes. Dementia is a gradual decline so there will quite obviously a point where dementia has made someone more vulnerable to fraud but they haven't yet had a diagnosis. Even if someone did have power of attorney then like anyone alive they would still hsve some vulnerability to fraud. 
  • M25
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    M25 said:
    No personal responsibility at all, then? A crazy route to go down.

    How will stupid people learn?
    Is someone's with dementia stupid?
    ALL stupid people. Banks aren't health or mental well-being care providers.

    I think we all know most people who are scammed have acted stupidly.

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