Turned down for PIP - mixing with other people.

Spoonie_Turtle

I don't think anyone was doubting you get LCWRA, rather saying that the reason(s) you were awarded LCWRA could support your PIP claim if they overlap with the PIP activity.

I shall leave it there as you've requested.

poppy12345

I still think you are missing the point that some are trying to advise you with. I will also leave it there as you requested. 

Muttleythefrog

Kris35 said:

Hang on a moment. Of course I get LCWRA?

Nobody is doubting that.,..I think you are misunderstanding... I'm saying that if you are getting LCWRA then you could have excellent evidence sitting at the DWP to help your case for PIP that you do not currently have in front of you.... I advise getting hold of it so you can see how useful it is. If you have LCWRA then you have it because the DWP have already determined you have a significant problem... there is a very good chance that problem they consider to be in relation to your ability to engage with others. Getting hold of the DWP report(s) regarding your WCA (Work Capability Assessment) could be extremely helpful to you in challenging the DWP decision for PIP and of course also helpful in any future WCA reassessments.

peteuk

Muttleythefrog said:

peteuk said:

I looked over you last two threads, and to be frank you were warned this may happen.   

I personal do not see your behaviour as likely to lead to you exhibiting behaviour which would result in a substantial risk of harm to the claimant or another person.  As all you’ve mentioned is feeling panicked and flush. Which doesn’t scream OPD.  So 8 pts, for me is off the table.

Get your PIP assessment, look at what you may need to show and go from there.  You’ll need to understand the activity and the descriptors (thankfully the are very similar eg unaided, aided, prompted…). If you’ve scored 0pts then look at your migraines?  Is there a trigger?  Do you have the evidence to support these conditions?

Did you include the letter from your psychiatry assessment, as evidence?  If not why not? Sending this may have saved you from what you’re going through now.

I would be cautious in concluding the same..... as aside from being badly placed here.. they seem to be awarded LCWRA and claim they have no problems other than in relation to dealing with others. If indeed they do have LCWRA then there must be a decent chance one of the 3 descriptors I've raised has been applied in their case which if so would be significant. If they get LCWRA for some other reason then it raises again the point that their disablements may be more widespread than perhaps they themselves are considering. People with Mental Illness can often be very poor at understanding their capacities or communicating difficulties... exaggerating and underplaying can be common as can be failure to recognise.

Agree obviously on other evidence provided it is helpful to argument.

I agree, what is presented here is probably a snapshot of the real issue, and as such not ideal for anyone to provide support and guidance.  The OP has pinned everything on 8 pts for socialising, and given the evidence I dont see it.  I cant say sure you stand a really good chance of scoring these 8 pts, but equally I cant say 100% you’ve got no case.

PIP is flawed, massively and for the OP to challenge this they need to understand the process.  What happens if they score 6 pts, but over look another activity and so fail again when actually they could be receiving PIP had they not solely focused on one activity.

The OP has been supported pre, during and post assessment, advised about the difference between being a loner and having a medical issue that causes this, they have mentioned they belief they fit into this activity due to X,Y and Z.

But when faced with questions that could help, I get their anxiety hinders them.  Or simply put…

Is there evidence of you going to your Gp for anxiety/migraines.  Even more so do you know what triggers your migraines? You’ve eluded to a supporting letter that you said you didn’t want to send, did you do as advised and send it with your PIP questionnaire? 

Yes not having a diagnosis isn’t a bar to PIP, but it supports what the claimant is saying.  But rather than relying on no NOK, X years of diaries, gps that note they attended alone and their belief, the OP needs to look at their PIP assessment and then they are fully armed to go through the MR/Appeal process and more likely to succeed.  If, as a claimant you can give the assessor a reason not to write something along the line of
”Claims X but there is no obvious evidence of this, no history of medication and no secondary referral to support - 0 pts” then it’s a start. 

I actually believe, the OP is the type of claimant that PIP is designed for, but in reality the OP needs to hammer home the problems they have. Which we know when talking about mental health isn’t likely.  If the OP had had a stroke, then it would be really obvious the difficulties they face,  where as MH is very much unseen and misunderstood.