Simple question - passport stamped when arriving Europe

zagfles

Twopints said:

zagfles said:

Brie said:

The only thing I'm aware of is that you need to have sufficient time (6 months?) left on your passport without taking into account any extra time that might have been added due to renewing early.  

So if your last passport was due to expire in 7/15 but you renewed it in 2/15 then EU only takes account of the time 2/15-2/25 despite your new passport saying it expires in 7/25.  Lots of people caught out by this.  I think it only applies to UK passports going into the EU with different rules for different passports or UK passports to other places like the USA.  

Why do people keep posting this incorrect information? As long as you enter using a passport less than 10 years old it can exceed 10 years old while you're there if it's still valid.  

From the horses mouth: 

Travel documents for non-EU nationals - Your Europe (europa.eu)

And a maybe better explanation here: 

Travelling to Europe following Brexit | ABTA

It is correct that the EU take the 10 years from the renewal date, and do not use the expiry date, which is a change from how it used to work. 

From the first link, there is an another condition in addition to the 10 year rule:

"This means your travel document must have been issued within the previous 10 years the day you enter the EU on condition that it is valid until the end of your stay plus an additional 3 months."

They do use the expiry date!

If you have a UK passport issued on 1st August 2014 and expires on 1st May 2025, then you can enter the Schengen area today. 

If you have a UK passport issued on 1st August 2014 and expires on 1st August 2024, then you can't. 

So the expiry date IS used. It's complete rubbish to state the expiry date is ignored or assumed to be 10 years after the issue date. 

eskbanker

Brie said:

So if your last passport was due to expire in 7/15 but you renewed it in 2/15 then EU only takes account of the time 2/15-2/25 despite your new passport saying it expires in 7/25.  Lots of people caught out by this.  I think it only applies to UK passports going into the EU with different rules for different passports or UK passports to other places like the USA.  

No, these EU rules have always applied to non-EU passports (except the four who are Schengen members), so the UK isn't being singled out but is simply being treated consistently with all the other non-EU (and non-Schengen) countries.

Twopints

That's not what it says in the link that you posted.

"If you are a national from a country outside the EU wishing to visit or travel within the EU, you will need a valid passport and possibly a visa. Your passport should be valid for at least 3 months after the date you intend to leave the EU and it must have been issued within the last 10 years. This means your travel document must have been issued within the previous 10 years the day you enter the EU on condition that it is valid until the end of your stay plus an additional 3 months."

The key word being "issued". Twice.

If this is not correct, why are you posting links that say exactly that?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68675348

Twopints

zagfles said:

Twopints said:

zagfles said:

Brie said:

The only thing I'm aware of is that you need to have sufficient time (6 months?) left on your passport without taking into account any extra time that might have been added due to renewing early.  

So if your last passport was due to expire in 7/15 but you renewed it in 2/15 then EU only takes account of the time 2/15-2/25 despite your new passport saying it expires in 7/25.  Lots of people caught out by this.  I think it only applies to UK passports going into the EU with different rules for different passports or UK passports to other places like the USA.  

Why do people keep posting this incorrect information? As long as you enter using a passport less than 10 years old it can exceed 10 years old while you're there if it's still valid.  

From the horses mouth: 

Travel documents for non-EU nationals - Your Europe (europa.eu)

And a maybe better explanation here: 

Travelling to Europe following Brexit | ABTA

It is correct that the EU take the 10 years from the renewal date, and do not use the expiry date, which is a change from how it used to work. 

From the first link, there is an another condition in addition to the 10 year rule:

"This means your travel document must have been issued within the previous 10 years the day you enter the EU on condition that it is valid until the end of your stay plus an additional 3 months."

They do use the expiry date!

If you have a UK passport issued on 1st August 2014 and expires on 1st May 2025, then you can enter the Schengen area today. 

If you have a UK passport issued on 1st August 2014 and expires on 1st August 2024, then you can't. 

So the expiry date IS used. It's complete rubbish to state the expiry date is ignored or assumed to be 10 years after the issue date. 

Just to be clear, the issue date is used to calculate the 10 years on entering the EU, the expiry date is used to calculate whether it is still valid for at least 3 months after you plan to leave the EU.

zagfles

Twopints said:

zagfles said:

Twopints said:

zagfles said:

Brie said:

The only thing I'm aware of is that you need to have sufficient time (6 months?) left on your passport without taking into account any extra time that might have been added due to renewing early.  

So if your last passport was due to expire in 7/15 but you renewed it in 2/15 then EU only takes account of the time 2/15-2/25 despite your new passport saying it expires in 7/25.  Lots of people caught out by this.  I think it only applies to UK passports going into the EU with different rules for different passports or UK passports to other places like the USA.  

Why do people keep posting this incorrect information? As long as you enter using a passport less than 10 years old it can exceed 10 years old while you're there if it's still valid.  

From the horses mouth: 

Travel documents for non-EU nationals - Your Europe (europa.eu)

And a maybe better explanation here: 

Travelling to Europe following Brexit | ABTA

It is correct that the EU take the 10 years from the renewal date, and do not use the expiry date, which is a change from how it used to work. 

From the first link, there is an another condition in addition to the 10 year rule:

"This means your travel document must have been issued within the previous 10 years the day you enter the EU on condition that it is valid until the end of your stay plus an additional 3 months."

They do use the expiry date!

If you have a UK passport issued on 1st August 2014 and expires on 1st May 2025, then you can enter the Schengen area today. 

If you have a UK passport issued on 1st August 2014 and expires on 1st August 2024, then you can't. 

So the expiry date IS used. It's complete rubbish to state the expiry date is ignored or assumed to be 10 years after the issue date. 

Just to be clear, the issue date is used to calculate the 10 years on entering the EU, the expiry date is used to calculate whether it is still valid for at least 3 months after you plan to leave the EU.

Exactly, so it's rubbish to state they "do not use the expiry date", as the example above with identical issue dates but different expiry dates proves. They are both used. 

sheramber

Twopints said:

zagfles said:

Brie said:

The only thing I'm aware of is that you need to have sufficient time (6 months?) left on your passport without taking into account any extra time that might have been added due to renewing early.  

So if your last passport was due to expire in 7/15 but you renewed it in 2/15 then EU only takes account of the time 2/15-2/25 despite your new passport saying it expires in 7/25.  Lots of people caught out by this.  I think it only applies to UK passports going into the EU with different rules for different passports or UK passports to other places like the USA.  

Why do people keep posting this incorrect information? As long as you enter using a passport less than 10 years old it can exceed 10 years old while you're there if it's still valid.  

From the horses mouth: 

Travel documents for non-EU nationals - Your Europe (europa.eu)

And a maybe better explanation here: 

Travelling to Europe following Brexit | ABTA

It is correct that the EU take the 10 years from the renewal date, and do not use the expiry date, which is a change from how it used to work. 

From the first link, there is an another condition in addition to the 10 year rule:

"This means your travel document must have been issued within the previous 10 years the day you enter the EU on condition that it is valid until the end of your stay plus an additional 3 months."

iSSue date less than 10 years to enter.

Validity date for exit is the date shown on the passport, including any extension.  

Must be valid for 3 moths after date of exit.

So 10 years for entry but not necessary for exit.

zagfles

sheramber said:

Twopints said:

zagfles said:

Brie said:

The only thing I'm aware of is that you need to have sufficient time (6 months?) left on your passport without taking into account any extra time that might have been added due to renewing early.  

So if your last passport was due to expire in 7/15 but you renewed it in 2/15 then EU only takes account of the time 2/15-2/25 despite your new passport saying it expires in 7/25.  Lots of people caught out by this.  I think it only applies to UK passports going into the EU with different rules for different passports or UK passports to other places like the USA.  

Why do people keep posting this incorrect information? As long as you enter using a passport less than 10 years old it can exceed 10 years old while you're there if it's still valid.  

From the horses mouth: 

Travel documents for non-EU nationals - Your Europe (europa.eu)

And a maybe better explanation here: 

Travelling to Europe following Brexit | ABTA

It is correct that the EU take the 10 years from the renewal date, and do not use the expiry date, which is a change from how it used to work. 

From the first link, there is an another condition in addition to the 10 year rule:

"This means your travel document must have been issued within the previous 10 years the day you enter the EU on condition that it is valid until the end of your stay plus an additional 3 months."

iSSue date less than 10 years to enter.

Validity date for exit is the date shown on the passport, including any extension.  

Must be valid for 3 moths after date of exit.

So 10 years for entry but not necessary for exit.

Just the be clear as the above could be ambiguous.

The conditions for entry are that the passport was issued within the last 10 years and expires 3+ months after the end of your intended stay. 

It's not like there's separate conditions for entry and exit as the above could read.

For instance, if you intended to spend the winter in southern Spain using the entire 90 day allowance, eg 1 Dec 2024 to 28 Feb 2025, and your passport was issued 15 May 2015 and expires 15 May 2025, you would not get in on the 1 Dec. Even if you intended to renew it while you're away. 

csw5780

zagfles said:

sheramber said:

Twopints said:

zagfles said:

Brie said:

The only thing I'm aware of is that you need to have sufficient time (6 months?) left on your passport without taking into account any extra time that might have been added due to renewing early.  

So if your last passport was due to expire in 7/15 but you renewed it in 2/15 then EU only takes account of the time 2/15-2/25 despite your new passport saying it expires in 7/25.  Lots of people caught out by this.  I think it only applies to UK passports going into the EU with different rules for different passports or UK passports to other places like the USA.  

Why do people keep posting this incorrect information? As long as you enter using a passport less than 10 years old it can exceed 10 years old while you're there if it's still valid.  

From the horses mouth: 

Travel documents for non-EU nationals - Your Europe (europa.eu)

And a maybe better explanation here: 

Travelling to Europe following Brexit | ABTA

It is correct that the EU take the 10 years from the renewal date, and do not use the expiry date, which is a change from how it used to work. 

From the first link, there is an another condition in addition to the 10 year rule:

"This means your travel document must have been issued within the previous 10 years the day you enter the EU on condition that it is valid until the end of your stay plus an additional 3 months."

iSSue date less than 10 years to enter.

Validity date for exit is the date shown on the passport, including any extension.  

Must be valid for 3 moths after date of exit.

So 10 years for entry but not necessary for exit.

Just the be clear as the above could be ambiguous.

The conditions for entry are that the passport was issued within the last 10 years and expires 3+ months after the end of your intended stay. 

It's not like there's separate conditions for entry and exit as the above could read.

For instance, if you intended to spend the winter in southern Spain using the entire 90 day allowance, eg 1 Dec 2024 to 28 Feb 2025, and your passport was issued 15 May 2015 and expires 15 May 2025, you would not get in on the 1 Dec. Even if you intended to renew it while you're away. 

So if it was issued 15/5/2015 and expired 29/5/2025 it would be ok?

zagfles

csw5780 said:

zagfles said:

sheramber said:

Twopints said:

zagfles said:

Brie said:

The only thing I'm aware of is that you need to have sufficient time (6 months?) left on your passport without taking into account any extra time that might have been added due to renewing early.  

So if your last passport was due to expire in 7/15 but you renewed it in 2/15 then EU only takes account of the time 2/15-2/25 despite your new passport saying it expires in 7/25.  Lots of people caught out by this.  I think it only applies to UK passports going into the EU with different rules for different passports or UK passports to other places like the USA.  

Why do people keep posting this incorrect information? As long as you enter using a passport less than 10 years old it can exceed 10 years old while you're there if it's still valid.  

From the horses mouth: 

Travel documents for non-EU nationals - Your Europe (europa.eu)

And a maybe better explanation here: 

Travelling to Europe following Brexit | ABTA

It is correct that the EU take the 10 years from the renewal date, and do not use the expiry date, which is a change from how it used to work. 

From the first link, there is an another condition in addition to the 10 year rule:

"This means your travel document must have been issued within the previous 10 years the day you enter the EU on condition that it is valid until the end of your stay plus an additional 3 months."

iSSue date less than 10 years to enter.

Validity date for exit is the date shown on the passport, including any extension.  

Must be valid for 3 moths after date of exit.

So 10 years for entry but not necessary for exit.

Just the be clear as the above could be ambiguous.

The conditions for entry are that the passport was issued within the last 10 years and expires 3+ months after the end of your intended stay. 

It's not like there's separate conditions for entry and exit as the above could read.

For instance, if you intended to spend the winter in southern Spain using the entire 90 day allowance, eg 1 Dec 2024 to 28 Feb 2025, and your passport was issued 15 May 2015 and expires 15 May 2025, you would not get in on the 1 Dec. Even if you intended to renew it while you're away. 

So if it was issued 15/5/2015 and expired 29/5/2025 it would be ok?

Probably. I say probably because it depends on exactly how they define a month. They could argue that a 3 months after 28 Feb is 31 May. If the expiry was 1/6/2025 you'd be OK. 

Brie

Must be valid for 3 months after date of exit.

So makes me wonder why so many reports of people being turned away by airlines state that 6 months is required.  Obviously either the airlines are getting it wrong or the reporters.

No wonder people get confused.