bona vacantia/ intestacy to unregistered land

elsien

NoseyParkersHelper said:

interesting sorry! though I do not know how much of it is true though

Any way; we where told if the land is unregistered and unoccupied and you occupie it your self for over 10 years and you can prove so you can then make a claim though the land registers office to register it in your own name

I mean how can the crown steal it off of a dead man/ woman with no relatives if they have no record of who owned it in the first place

I’m not seeing a huge amount of difference between the crown “stealing” the land, and adjacent landowners  nicking it through adverse possession? Perhaps you could clarify where you feel the difference is? 

AlexMac

Well done Hemmo, although I still find it intriguing that in your second version of the story requested by the OP, the AI “ghost in the machine” can’t resist a happy (optimistic , altruistic, communitarian) ending?  A bot with a heart? 

So noseyparker only now needs to tell us where this freebie land parcel is.. so we can steam in, fence it off, make merry on it and (over the course of the next 20 years) create our own idyll thereon?

RHemmings

AlexMac said:

Well done Hemmo, although I still find it intriguing that in your second version of the story requested by the OP, the AI “ghost in the machine” can’t resist a happy (optimistic , altruistic, communitarian) ending?  A bot with a heart? 

So noseyparker only now needs to tell us where this freebie land parcel is.. so we can steam in, fence it off, make merry on it and (over the course of the next 20 years) create our own idyll thereon?

In theory Chat GPT should be the product of its experience - i.e. training. I guess there are a lot of stories with happy endings out there on the internet for technology companies to purloin. 

NoseyParkersHelper

BarelySentientAI said:

NoseyParkersHelper said:

interesting sorry! though I do not know how much of it is true though

Any way; we where told if the land is unregistered and unoccupied and you occupie it your self for over 10 years and you can prove so you can then make a claim though the land registers office to register it in your own name

I mean how can the crown steal it off of a dead man/ woman with no relatives if they have no record of who owned it in the first place

So what you're asking is "what is adverse possession"?

well what is it then?

NoseyParkersHelper

elsien said:

NoseyParkersHelper said:

interesting sorry! though I do not know how much of it is true though

Any way; we where told if the land is unregistered and unoccupied and you occupie it your self for over 10 years and you can prove so you can then make a claim though the land registers office to register it in your own name

I mean how can the crown steal it off of a dead man/ woman with no relatives if they have no record of who owned it in the first place

I’m not seeing a huge amount of difference between the crown “stealing” the land, and adjacent landowners  nicking it through adverse possession? Perhaps you could clarify where you feel the difference is? 

I think the differance is that the crown will not be ocuping the land as opposed to someone lke myself

NoseyParkersHelper

AlexMac said:

Well done Hemmo, although I still find it intriguing that in your second version of the story requested by the OP, the AI “ghost in the machine” can’t resist a happy (optimistic , altruistic, communitarian) ending?  A bot with a heart? 

So noseyparker only now needs to tell us where this freebie land parcel is.. so we can steam in, fence it off, make merry on it and (over the course of the next 20 years) create our own idyll thereon?

I dont know yet as I have not bothered yet to star my tresure hunt. BTW its 10 years not 20

propertyrental

NoseyParkersHelper said:

BarelySentientAI said:

NoseyParkersHelper said:

interesting sorry! though I do not know how much of it is true though

Any way; we where told if the land is unregistered and unoccupied and you occupie it your self for over 10 years and you can prove so you can then make a claim though the land registers office to register it in your own name

I mean how can the crown steal it off of a dead man/ woman with no relatives if they have no record of who owned it in the first place

So what you're asking is "what is adverse possession"?

well what is it then?

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/adverse-possession-of-1-unregistered-land-and-2-registered-land/practice-guide-5-adverse-possession-of-1-unregistered-and-2-registered-land-where-a-right-to-be-registered-was-acquired-before-13-october-2003

elsien

NoseyParkersHelper said:

elsien said:

NoseyParkersHelper said:

interesting sorry! though I do not know how much of it is true though

Any way; we where told if the land is unregistered and unoccupied and you occupie it your self for over 10 years and you can prove so you can then make a claim though the land registers office to register it in your own name

I mean how can the crown steal it off of a dead man/ woman with no relatives if they have no record of who owned it in the first place

I’m not seeing a huge amount of difference between the crown “stealing” the land, and adjacent landowners  nicking it through adverse possession? Perhaps you could clarify where you feel the difference is? 

I think the differance is that the crown will not be ocuping the land as opposed to someone lke myself

In your own words though “I mean how can the crown steal it off of a dead man/ woman with no relatives if they have no record of who owned it in the first place”, how can you steal it off a dead/man woman with no relatives if they have no record of who owned it on the first place?

Regardless of what the land is used for, whether sold off by the crown or taken by you for your garden, you are still appropriating it from the dead person’s estate. 

Section62

elsien said:

NoseyParkersHelper said:

elsien said:

NoseyParkersHelper said:

interesting sorry! though I do not know how much of it is true though

Any way; we where told if the land is unregistered and unoccupied and you occupie it your self for over 10 years and you can prove so you can then make a claim though the land registers office to register it in your own name

I mean how can the crown steal it off of a dead man/ woman with no relatives if they have no record of who owned it in the first place

I’m not seeing a huge amount of difference between the crown “stealing” the land, and adjacent landowners  nicking it through adverse possession? Perhaps you could clarify where you feel the difference is? 

I think the differance is that the crown will not be ocuping the land as opposed to someone lke myself

In your own words though “I mean how can the crown steal it off of a dead man/ woman with no relatives if they have no record of who owned it in the first place”, how can you steal it off a dead/man woman with no relatives if they have no record of who owned it on the first place?

Regardless of what the land is used for, whether sold off by the crown or taken by you for your garden, you are still appropriating it from the dead person’s estate. 

I think the answer the OP needs is that the Crown doesn't "steal" anything.  There's a legal process by which an unclaimed estate - after a long period of time - becomes the property of the Crown and can therefore be put to use with a wider societal benefit. If it is lawfully acquired then it isn't "steal[ing]".

Whereas someone going down the AP route usually does so only to enrich themselves.

The OP also appears to be confusing 'no record' and 'not registered with Land Registry' - the two aren't the same thing.  Unregistered property doesn't mean there is no record of who owns it/has an interest in it.

NoseyParkersHelper

propertyrental said:

NoseyParkersHelper said:

BarelySentientAI said:

NoseyParkersHelper said:

interesting sorry! though I do not know how much of it is true though

Any way; we where told if the land is unregistered and unoccupied and you occupie it your self for over 10 years and you can prove so you can then make a claim though the land registers office to register it in your own name

I mean how can the crown steal it off of a dead man/ woman with no relatives if they have no record of who owned it in the first place

So what you're asking is "what is adverse possession"?

well what is it then?

Well only a bit of that I could understand

Under the law as it was prior to the coming into effect of the Land Registration Act 2002 on 13 October 2003, the provisions of the Limitation Act 1980 applied in the same manner to registered land as unregistered land 

So looks like makes no odds if registered or unregistered to make a claim, unless the Crown steel if as there is no one to pass it onto and as i said before how will they ever know if it is unregistered?