Allocated parking

Southend_2

We have a similar set up. If we are expecting visitors, one of us will move our car to a visitors space when one is free and then tell the visitors to park in our space. If just a short visit we tell visitors to park on the road blocking our cars in.

ThisIsWeird

Hi Player.
When you say your spaces are 'allocated', is this just by the deeds, or are the actual parking spaces marked with signs on the ground?
If not, then could the management team be persuaded to either put up signs indicating allocation, or simply paint numbers/'visit' on the appropriate spaces? 
This shouldn't cost much at all, especially the  writing on the ground - templates and a tub of suitable paint.
The ManCo should ideally pre-warn the leaseholders of their intention first, adding ballpark figures for the cost, so that the residents have a chance to sort out their parking violations before the MC gets involved.
Should anyone complain either about the cost or the visuals, the ManCo should make it clear it's due to 'repeated breaches by a minority'.

player1_2

ThisIsWeird said:

Hi Player.
When you say your spaces are 'allocated', is this just by the deeds, or are the actual parking spaces marked with signs on the ground?
If not, then could the management team be persuaded to either put up signs indicating allocation, or simply paint numbers/'visit' on the appropriate spaces? 
This shouldn't cost much at all, especially the  writing on the ground - templates and a tub of suitable paint.
The ManCo should ideally pre-warn the leaseholders of their intention first, adding ballpark figures for the cost, so that the residents have a chance to sort out their parking violations before the MC gets involved.
Should anyone complain either about the cost or the visuals, the ManCo should make it clear it's due to 'repeated breaches by a minority'.

The developer is putting up signs indicating which spaces are allocated and which are for visitors ( but has yet to do so ). However this is not unlikely to deter the neighbours from choosing to park in the visitors spaces, in effect they are claiming additional spaces and reducing availability of visitors spaces - which as I type this seems a bit off. 

ThisIsWeird

player1_2 said:

The developer is putting up signs indicating which spaces are allocated and which are for visitors ( but has yet to do so ). However this is not unlikely to deter the neighbours from choosing to park in the visitors spaces, in effect they are claiming additional spaces and reducing availability of visitors spaces - which as I type this seems a bit off. 

Ok, that's good - half the battle won!

Wait until the signs are up, and then - if the neighb still carries on - simply report them to the ManCo (anonymously).

It would be nice to think that you could simply say to your neighb in a friendly, casual way, "I had visitors the other week, and they couldn't find a visitor's space to park in - any chance you could keep these free?" But, as you say, that carries the risk of a fall-out (not your fault), but they'd obviously also suspect you when you'd have to report the continued wrong parking.

So, alas, in a world full of 'oles, I suspect it's wait for the signs, and then report.

(A proactive ManCo should be able to sort this easily, using peer pressure. Email circular to say a small number of residents are improperly taking up visitor's parking spaces. Signs are therefore being put up to clarify the allocation of these spaces, and the cost for this will be taken from the maintenance fund to which all Leaseholders contribute. We are asking residents to please abide by the correct allocation of spaces as shown in your respective deeds. Should improper parking persist, then action will need to be taken, possibly using an external parking enforcer, and the significant cost for this service will also have to be borne by the maintenance funds = all Leaseholders. Please ensure YOU are not breaching the terms of your Leases by abusing these visitor spaces, and incurring unnecessary costs to other Leaseholders.)

player1_2

Thanks - I thought that perhaps I appeared petty but this will in the fullness of time cause me an issue when my visitors can’t park. I think I’ll take it up with the developer in the first instance , the management company haven’t taken over their responsibilities yet as far as I can see.

ThisIsWeird

player1_2 said:

Thanks - I thought that perhaps I appeared petty but this will in the fullness of time cause me an issue when my visitors can’t park. I think I’ll take it up with the developer in the first instance , the management company haven’t taken over their responsibilities yet as far as I can see.

Please update us on the outcome

I agree - it needs nipping in t'bud. You wouldn't do this, and nor would most folk. Just no excuse. Some folk need a 'reminder' on how they are expected to behave.

RHemmings

ThisIsWeird said:

player1_2 said:

The developer is putting up signs indicating which spaces are allocated and which are for visitors ( but has yet to do so ). However this is not unlikely to deter the neighbours from choosing to park in the visitors spaces, in effect they are claiming additional spaces and reducing availability of visitors spaces - which as I type this seems a bit off. 

Ok, that's good - half the battle won!

Wait until the signs are up, and then - if the neighb still carries on - simply report them to the ManCo (anonymously).

It would be nice to think that you could simply say to your neighb in a friendly, casual way, "I had visitors the other week, and they couldn't find a visitor's space to park in - any chance you could keep these free?" But, as you say, that carries the risk of a fall-out (not your fault), but they'd obviously also suspect you when you'd have to report the continued wrong parking.

So, alas, in a world full of 'oles, I suspect it's wait for the signs, and then report.

Could it be done the other way around? I.e. instead of saying that there were visitors the other week and they couldn't park, wait until visitors are coming, and ask the neighbours nicely if the visitors coming next Thursday can park in the visitors' spaces. 

If it all goes well, then some of the problem has been addressed - at least when it's known ahead of time that visitors are coming. If not, then at least the problem is known. 

To me it seems best to couch it as asking them for help, rather than revealing a problem in hindsight. I think it's at least worth a go. 

Of course, that would make it slightly more difficult to dob the neighbours in anonymously. As the neighbours may be able to have a better guess as to who dobbed them in. 

ThisIsWeird

RHemmings said:

ThisIsWeird said:

player1_2 said:

The developer is putting up signs indicating which spaces are allocated and which are for visitors ( but has yet to do so ). However this is not unlikely to deter the neighbours from choosing to park in the visitors spaces, in effect they are claiming additional spaces and reducing availability of visitors spaces - which as I type this seems a bit off. 

Ok, that's good - half the battle won!

Wait until the signs are up, and then - if the neighb still carries on - simply report them to the ManCo (anonymously).

It would be nice to think that you could simply say to your neighb in a friendly, casual way, "I had visitors the other week, and they couldn't find a visitor's space to park in - any chance you could keep these free?" But, as you say, that carries the risk of a fall-out (not your fault), but they'd obviously also suspect you when you'd have to report the continued wrong parking.

So, alas, in a world full of 'oles, I suspect it's wait for the signs, and then report.

Could it be done the other way around? I.e. instead of saying that there were visitors the other week and they couldn't park, wait until visitors are coming, and ask the neighbours nicely if the visitors coming next Thursday can park in the visitors' spaces. 

If it all goes well, then some of the problem has been addressed - at least when it's known ahead of time that visitors are coming. If not, then at least the problem is known. 

To me it seems best to couch it as asking them for help, rather than revealing a problem in hindsight. I think it's at least worth a go. 

Of course, that would make it slightly more difficult to dob the neighbours in anonymously. As the neighbours may be able to have a better guess as to who dobbed them in. 

A possible issue with the 'future' approach is that they do leave a space empty for when you ask, and just say, "Let us know in advance if they're coming again!", and walk away thinking they've been considerate. Then what would you say, other than, "I don't always know when they are arriving...".
The 'past' scenario is designed to show them that parking there has actually caused an issue - folks turned up but couldn't park. It would be 'interesting' to note how they respond to this. Me, you, the OP would be mortified. Will this twit be?

RHemmings

ThisIsWeird said:

RHemmings said:

ThisIsWeird said:

player1_2 said:

The developer is putting up signs indicating which spaces are allocated and which are for visitors ( but has yet to do so ). However this is not unlikely to deter the neighbours from choosing to park in the visitors spaces, in effect they are claiming additional spaces and reducing availability of visitors spaces - which as I type this seems a bit off. 

Ok, that's good - half the battle won!

Wait until the signs are up, and then - if the neighb still carries on - simply report them to the ManCo (anonymously).

It would be nice to think that you could simply say to your neighb in a friendly, casual way, "I had visitors the other week, and they couldn't find a visitor's space to park in - any chance you could keep these free?" But, as you say, that carries the risk of a fall-out (not your fault), but they'd obviously also suspect you when you'd have to report the continued wrong parking.

So, alas, in a world full of 'oles, I suspect it's wait for the signs, and then report.

Could it be done the other way around? I.e. instead of saying that there were visitors the other week and they couldn't park, wait until visitors are coming, and ask the neighbours nicely if the visitors coming next Thursday can park in the visitors' spaces. 

If it all goes well, then some of the problem has been addressed - at least when it's known ahead of time that visitors are coming. If not, then at least the problem is known. 

To me it seems best to couch it as asking them for help, rather than revealing a problem in hindsight. I think it's at least worth a go. 

Of course, that would make it slightly more difficult to dob the neighbours in anonymously. As the neighbours may be able to have a better guess as to who dobbed them in. 

A possible issue with the 'future' approach is that they do leave a space empty for when you ask, and just say, "Let us know in advance if they're coming again!", and walk away thinking they've been considerate. Then what would you say, other than, "I don't always know when they are arriving...".
The 'past' scenario is designed to show them that parking there has actually caused an issue - folks turned up but couldn't park. It would be 'interesting' to note how they respond to this. Me, you, the OP would be mortified. Will this twit be?

It's quite possible to do both. It's the salami game. At any point, once cooperation has been established, it can be extended. And, the OP will already have confirmed if they want to be cooperative or not. 

saajan_12

OP, how obvious are the allocations and where are the spaces located? Eg could they be mistaken on which are theirs if its buried in a lease somewhere, or is there a clear signpost they are ignoring? Also are the visitor spaces more conveniently located to their property? If these don't explain it and they are trying to commandeer more spaces, then you have 3 options (in order of preference)

1) mention politely when you have visitors coming and ask if they can accommodate. Repeat a few times, then gently suggest you won't know when so might be easier if they primarily use the other ones (theirs)

2) Check leases if there's any restriction on using visitors spaces (eg frequency, none of the residents' cars, etc). If so, politely go over and ask them to please park in their spaces first. If they push back, then say "we all have to according to this". Worst case, ask the management co to enforce the lease. 

3) Park in the visitors spaces yourself if you get in before the neighbours.