Deposit deduction for cleaning new oven. Place unclean on arrival

swingaloo

Just because the oven was dirty when you moved in what makes you think its acceptable to leave a dirty oven on the way out?

propertyrental

swingaloo said:

Just because the oven was dirty when you moved in what makes you think its acceptable to leave a dirty oven on the way out?

Actually, from a legal perspective, if the oven was dirty on check in, the tenant can leave it dirty on check out.

What's different here is that a clean oven was later provided during the tenancy.

swingaloo

propertyrental said:

swingaloo said:

Just because the oven was dirty when you moved in what makes you think its acceptable to leave a dirty oven on the way out?

Actually, from a legal perspective, if the oven was dirty on check in, the tenant can leave it dirty on check out.

What's different here is that a clean oven was later provided during the tenancy.

I understand that but its the tit for tat attitude that seems odd to me. Maybe that's just me but my pride would make me leave the oven clean.

flamingo_123

swingaloo said:

propertyrental said:

swingaloo said:

Just because the oven was dirty when you moved in what makes you think its acceptable to leave a dirty oven on the way out?

Actually, from a legal perspective, if the oven was dirty on check in, the tenant can leave it dirty on check out.

What's different here is that a clean oven was later provided during the tenancy.

I understand that but it’s the tit for tat attitude that seems odd to me. Maybe that's just me but my pride would make me leave the oven clean.

It’s not ‘tit for tat’. We don’t owe the landlord things that weren’t provided to begin with. It’s not revenge to leave something how you found it. As the previous comment said…the difference here is new appliances that have been added 

theoretica

The landlord isn't going to agree with you - so all you can do is let the deposit protection scheme decide.  I wouldn't get your hopes up though. 

swingaloo

flamingo_123 said:

swingaloo said:

propertyrental said:

swingaloo said:

Just because the oven was dirty when you moved in what makes you think its acceptable to leave a dirty oven on the way out?

Actually, from a legal perspective, if the oven was dirty on check in, the tenant can leave it dirty on check out.

What's different here is that a clean oven was later provided during the tenancy.

I understand that but it’s the tit for tat attitude that seems odd to me. Maybe that's just me but my pride would make me leave the oven clean.

It’s not ‘tit for tat’. We don’t owe the landlord things that weren’t provided to begin with. It’s not revenge to leave something how you found it. As the previous comment said…the difference here is new appliances that have been added 

I don't suggest it is revenge. Just petty behaviour. Sorry if you dont agree.

Mr.Generous

Petty is pick up a piece of rubbish. An oven that needs cleaning isn't petty. Did you clean the rest of the dwelling or leave it dirty because that's how you found it? How long was the tenancy and how much was your deposit?

I can't say personally I've had a big problem with oven cleaning from departing tenants. Yeah, I generally have to give it a clean, but they don't appear to be used enough to get heavily soiled and compared to some of the horrendous things you can and do get left to sort out I just shrug and get on with it. I charge £30 against the deposit if that helps.

Don't stress over it though, in the scheme of things it's just someone at the letting agency who probably made the decision to try and deduct from your deposit in ten seconds flat, it's not personal.

flamingo_123

swingaloo said:

flamingo_123 said:

swingaloo said:

propertyrental said:

swingaloo said:

Just because the oven was dirty when you moved in what makes you think its acceptable to leave a dirty oven on the way out?

Actually, from a legal perspective, if the oven was dirty on check in, the tenant can leave it dirty on check out.

What's different here is that a clean oven was later provided during the tenancy.

I understand that but it’s the tit for tat attitude that seems odd to me. Maybe that's just me but my pride would make me leave the oven clean.

It’s not ‘tit for tat’. We don’t owe the landlord things that weren’t provided to begin with. It’s not revenge to leave something how you found it. As the previous comment said…the difference here is new appliances that have been added 

I don't suggest it is revenge. Just petty behaviour. Sorry if you dont agree.

It’s ‘petty’ not to clean to a higher standard than we found it because we need to give a nice impression to a landlord who’s made £25,000 a year from us already? 

BarelySentientAI

flamingo_123 said:

swingaloo said:

flamingo_123 said:

swingaloo said:

propertyrental said:

swingaloo said:

Just because the oven was dirty when you moved in what makes you think its acceptable to leave a dirty oven on the way out?

Actually, from a legal perspective, if the oven was dirty on check in, the tenant can leave it dirty on check out.

What's different here is that a clean oven was later provided during the tenancy.

I understand that but it’s the tit for tat attitude that seems odd to me. Maybe that's just me but my pride would make me leave the oven clean.

It’s not ‘tit for tat’. We don’t owe the landlord things that weren’t provided to begin with. It’s not revenge to leave something how you found it. As the previous comment said…the difference here is new appliances that have been added 

I don't suggest it is revenge. Just petty behaviour. Sorry if you dont agree.

It’s ‘petty’ not to clean to a higher standard than we found it because we need to give a nice impression to a landlord who’s made £25,000 a year from us already? 

Yes.  And comparing it to paying rent is equally so.

You're not wrong, and there's nothing forcing you to do it, but it is petty.

saajan_12

There's nothing really wrong with "tit for tat" - its not a life partner you're trying to make a good impression on. Another way of saying it is fairness.. if you didn't clean oven, LL charges £x for it. 

The point here is the clean, new oven provided in the interim. propertyrental and others have given the likely legal position (although ultimately it would be up to a deposit scheme arbiter). However if it helps to understand the fairness side: 
* From LL's perspective: When the oven issue came up, fact it was dirty on top of the repair issue, getting parts, etc would have all contributed to the decision to repair, all at the LL's cost. So if they now have to clean again they're somewhat paying twice. 
* From T's perspective: you effectively did get a cleaning as the new oven saved you having to clean and after that it would have been much easier to maintain, so having to do an additional one now somewhat balances that out.