EDF smart meter nagging

EssexHebridean

casjen said:

nic_c said:

MeteredOut said:

casjen said:

Im on fixed EDF and got all the smart meter waffle. I don't need a smart meter and see no purpose in one. With some clever add blocking I dont get any pop ups on their website and all emails from them about smart meters get auto deleted as do any texts/notifications. One excellent result of this is that if they say I've breached Tcs of my tariff so putting me on the the SVR then please go ahead.. its cheaper than my fixed and will be still be after the next cap change    

You might get a surprise a few years down the line when they've sent you a mandatory replacement email, due to their meter being out of its certification process, and you ignore it due to your auto-deletion.

Unlikely it would happen without other forms of communication, but worst case is you can be disconnected if you refuse to allow the replacement of an uncertified meter.

Out of interest, what system do you use to auto-delete text messages you receive?

Disconnection would be on site, rather than smart meters that can be disconnected remotely. I'm sure they would need some court order too. 

Have to laugh at the attempts to stir up fears of disconnection.....extras charges etc...but that's how forums work these days with "forum regulars" eager to pass out their "words of wisdom"  from lofty heights 

Ahhh, you appear to have mis-spelled "People who understand how the system works trying their hardest to ensure that those who are currently ignorant in that area have the right information". 

It's not about "lofty heights" - just that these forums are meant to exist to help people make the most of their money, make a saving where possible, and also to avoid doing things that would be financially or even legally problematic. As a result of this, we're also keen to ensure that fearmongering and misinformation is not perpetuated. 

For avoidance of doubt, there are already countries where people are charged more due to not having a smart meter - it's far from unlikely that the UK will follow suit! 

casjen

MeteredOut said:

casjen said:

Im on fixed EDF and got all the smart meter waffle. I don't need a smart meter and see no purpose in one. With some clever add blocking I dont get any pop ups on their website and all emails from them about smart meters get auto deleted as do any texts/notifications. One excellent result of this is that if they say I've breached Tcs of my tariff so putting me on the the SVR then please go ahead.. its cheaper than my fixed and will be still be after the next cap change    

You might get a surprise a few years down the line when they've sent you a mandatory replacement email, due to their meter being out of its certification process, and you ignore it due to your auto-deletion.

Unlikely it would happen without other forms of communication, but worst case is you can be disconnected if you refuse to allow the replacement of an uncertified meter.

Out of interest, what system do you use to auto-delete text messages you receive?

I use a paid app called Tasker though you need  some appreciation of code and formulas to build a profile which acts on incoming messages. Its a long learning curve but you can use it to do all sorts of interesting things with your phone... Mine is s23 ultra on android

BarelySentientAI

casjen said:

MeteredOut said:

casjen said:

Im on fixed EDF and got all the smart meter waffle. I don't need a smart meter and see no purpose in one. With some clever add blocking I dont get any pop ups on their website and all emails from them about smart meters get auto deleted as do any texts/notifications. One excellent result of this is that if they say I've breached Tcs of my tariff so putting me on the the SVR then please go ahead.. its cheaper than my fixed and will be still be after the next cap change    

You might get a surprise a few years down the line when they've sent you a mandatory replacement email, due to their meter being out of its certification process, and you ignore it due to your auto-deletion.

Unlikely it would happen without other forms of communication, but worst case is you can be disconnected if you refuse to allow the replacement of an uncertified meter.

Out of interest, what system do you use to auto-delete text messages you receive?

I use a paid app called Tasker though you need  some appreciation of code and formulas to build a profile which acts on incoming messages. Its a long learning curve but you can use it to do all sorts of interesting things with your phone... Mine is s23 ultra on android

That's interesting - so you sort of code rules that it assesses incoming messages against?

wild666

HarryIb said:

Anyone on here with EDF and not got a 'smart' meter, but moved to a tariff requiring one? How much nagging do they do, and what is the end result if one continues to resist?

If you know when the analogue meter(s) were installed then they could have a certification period of anything from 10 to 35 years. I have friends who have meters that were installed when the house was built, in the late 40's and the meters read in ft.3 rather than M3 and the supplier hasn't even bothered to ask them to get smart meters or said to them their meter is end of life and needs changing. 
Let's say the meter was installed in 2000 then it could have another 10 years plus on the certification period of be up to 15 years past the certification period.
They will contact someone on a smart meter tariff to arrange a date for changing the meters but if the person refuses to have them changed they will likely remove them from the smart meter tariff to the standard variable rate. 

casjen

BarelySentientAI said:

casjen said:

MeteredOut said:

casjen said:

Im on fixed EDF and got all the smart meter waffle. I don't need a smart meter and see no purpose in one. With some clever add blocking I dont get any pop ups on their website and all emails from them about smart meters get auto deleted as do any texts/notifications. One excellent result of this is that if they say I've breached Tcs of my tariff so putting me on the the SVR then please go ahead.. its cheaper than my fixed and will be still be after the next cap change    

You might get a surprise a few years down the line when they've sent you a mandatory replacement email, due to their meter being out of its certification process, and you ignore it due to your auto-deletion.

Unlikely it would happen without other forms of communication, but worst case is you can be disconnected if you refuse to allow the replacement of an uncertified meter.

Out of interest, what system do you use to auto-delete text messages you receive?

I use a paid app called Tasker though you need  some appreciation of code and formulas to build a profile which acts on incoming messages. Its a long learning curve but you can use it to do all sorts of interesting things with your phone... Mine is s23 ultra on android

That's interesting - so you sort of code rules that it assesses incoming messages against?

Yes thats it...

Marvel1

GingerTim said:

Marvel1 said:

GingerTim said:

MP1995 said:

Marvel1 said:

GingerTim said:

MeteredOut said:

casjen said:

Im on fixed EDF and got all the smart meter waffle. I don't need a smart meter and see no purpose in one. With some clever add blocking I dont get any pop ups on their website and all emails from them about smart meters get auto deleted as do any texts/notifications. One excellent result of this is that if they say I've breached Tcs of my tariff so putting me on the the SVR then please go ahead.. its cheaper than my fixed and will be still be after the next cap change    

You might get a surprise a few years down the line when they've sent you a mandatory replacement email, due to their meter being out of its certification process, and you ignore it due to your auto-deletion.

Unlikely it would happen without other forms of communication, but worst case is you can be disconnected if you refuse to allow the replacement of an uncertified meter.

Out of interest, what system do you use to auto-delete text messages you receive?

Or when, say, a new government decides it's time to make smart meters mandatory, or to 'encourage' refuseniks start charging £1.50/day standing charge for dumb meters...

If they start charging more, they should first ensure the ones installed are working first/charge less until they work.

I agree with @gingertim but will add those with a smart meter that cannot connect for some reason can be exempt from his idea.

Those that refuse should pay more imo.

Precisely - I thought it would go without saying that those with non-working smart meters or those in areas/properties without good coverage would be exempt from any penalty.

Those with non-working smart meters, get cheaper standing charges?

Not cheaper, just not being penalised. For instance:

Households with working smart meters: 50p/ day standing charge (by way of example)

Households with non-working smart meters: 50p/ day SC (it's not their fault the meter isn't working properly, so no penalty)

Households refusing smart meters: £1.50/day SC

Threy are being penalised, as they are no different than those with no smart meter.

EssexHebridean

Marvel1 said:

GingerTim said:

Marvel1 said:

GingerTim said:

MP1995 said:

Marvel1 said:

GingerTim said:

MeteredOut said:

casjen said:

Im on fixed EDF and got all the smart meter waffle. I don't need a smart meter and see no purpose in one. With some clever add blocking I dont get any pop ups on their website and all emails from them about smart meters get auto deleted as do any texts/notifications. One excellent result of this is that if they say I've breached Tcs of my tariff so putting me on the the SVR then please go ahead.. its cheaper than my fixed and will be still be after the next cap change    

You might get a surprise a few years down the line when they've sent you a mandatory replacement email, due to their meter being out of its certification process, and you ignore it due to your auto-deletion.

Unlikely it would happen without other forms of communication, but worst case is you can be disconnected if you refuse to allow the replacement of an uncertified meter.

Out of interest, what system do you use to auto-delete text messages you receive?

Or when, say, a new government decides it's time to make smart meters mandatory, or to 'encourage' refuseniks start charging £1.50/day standing charge for dumb meters...

If they start charging more, they should first ensure the ones installed are working first/charge less until they work.

I agree with @gingertim but will add those with a smart meter that cannot connect for some reason can be exempt from his idea.

Those that refuse should pay more imo.

Precisely - I thought it would go without saying that those with non-working smart meters or those in areas/properties without good coverage would be exempt from any penalty.

Those with non-working smart meters, get cheaper standing charges?

Not cheaper, just not being penalised. For instance:

Households with working smart meters: 50p/ day standing charge (by way of example)

Households with non-working smart meters: 50p/ day SC (it's not their fault the meter isn't working properly, so no penalty)

Households refusing smart meters: £1.50/day SC

Threy are being penalised, as they are no different than those with no smart meter.

Under Tim's example, they would be treated as though their smart meter was fully functioning. 

The_Groat_Counter

HarryIb said:

Anyone on here with EDF and not got a 'smart' meter, but moved to a tariff requiring one? How much nagging do they do, and what is the end result if one continues to resist?

I'm with EDF, I don't have a smart meter but moved to a 2-year fixed tariff that came with an stated requirement to have one fitted. I went through the 2 years without having one fitted, and am now on a further 1-year fix again with the same requirement but don't yet have a smart meter.

By default EDF do a fair amount of nagging but you can 'turn this off' in your account settings - exactly how you do this depends upon whether you are on their old account management system (entirely numeric account number) or the new Kraken-based system (account number starting with an 'A').

As to why... I'm going to have some building work done which is likely to involve moving the incoming electricity supply (meter board, main fuse, the lot). Said work has been delayed several times for good reason.